Comments on: Updated: ‘It’s Reno Time’

By: Christopher Link

Christopher Link — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:11:14 +0000

Thank you, Barbara Grant. I stand corrected. One can also gauge the sincerity of the government’s follow up investigation by noting that although great care is usually taken not to contaminate the scene of a crime, after the Davidian’s compound burned down the feds bulldozed the entire area.

By: Barbara Grant

Barbara Grant — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:26:24 +0000

And here is a link to a piece I wrote five years ago, a detailed critique of the “investigative process” that exonerated the government in that affair: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32021

By: Barbara Grant

Barbara Grant — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:59:14 +0000

Christopher Link, I must respectfully disagree. I don’t think that many of the women and children of Waco were “burned to death.” Rather, based on my extensive technical analysis of the situation (for example, here: http://www.cesnur.org/2001/waco_dec01.htm) I suspect that they and others of their sect were shot and killed by government agents.

[Please post a link to your own WND piece on the topic.–IM]

By: Christopher Link

Christopher Link — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:01:29 +0000

Ilana,

I admire your courage. Not many are willing to admit that the Texans now being accused of child abuse have the same inherent rights the rest of us enjoy.

In Waco, the Branch Davidians were also accused of child abuse (by a disgruntled ex-member). The trouble started, so we were told, when Reno’s Raiders tried to serve papers and the odious Davidians responded with what was described as “overwhelming firepower”.

However, the opening scene on the videotape tells a different story. Many government agents hiding behind cars, throwing lots of lead at the Davidian ‘compound’, and not one window on any of the many cars they were hiding behind had been broken. Not one.

If Janet’s G-men were telling the truth about who had resorted to “overwhelming firepower”, some of those car windows would have been shattered. In the end, lots of women and children were burned to death.

The operative concept is that we are supposed to be presumed innocent, until we are proven guilty. Unless you belong to a religious cult? Did I miss an amendment?

By: John Danforth

John Danforth — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:12:31 +0000

There are at least that many pregnant 15 and 16 year old girls at the high school at the end of my street.

By: Gumdrops

Gumdrops — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:59:56 +0000

“Also, it appears that even with a thorough ransacking of the place, they haven’t been able to come up with any evidence of rape, or statutory rape.”

Wrong. There are 5 pregnant 16 year old girls.

Due process is under way. My guess is that most of the children will be re-united with their mothers.

What’s the alternative? How else can one feasibly and logistically investigate this matter? If your family member calls the police and accuses you of assaulting them, the police will come to your house and “force” you to talk to them. The only difference here is the quantity of people involved.

By: John Danforth

John Danforth — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:34:52 +0000

Warren Jeffs isn’t there. The accused man isn’t there, and wasn’t there, and isn’t under arrest, either. An anonymous phone call was made and hundreds of people are rounded up at gunpoint and herded off to camps? And now there are proceedings to take the children away from their mothers.

Also, it appears that even with a thorough ransacking of the place, they haven’t been able to come up with any evidence of rape, or statutory rape.

I’m not religious. And I don’t have sympathy for weird beliefs and lifestyles, neither do I ask for acceptance of my own. But this stinks.

And I endured the videos linked to by Jay. I saw no evidence of rape. No admission of underage arranged marriage. Given the right circumstances, you could probably go to any church and find teen-aged girls who want out of a restrictive lifestyle, and you could coach them to do a video just like that one. Maybe that stuff does go on there. But rounding up the community at gunpoint on such scant evidence just doesn’t pass the smell test.

The Youtube videos look like some kind of counter-cult at work.

By: Jay

Jay — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:18:12 +0000

A 15 year old FLDS runaway in 2001 that was being groomed to marry WARREN JEFFS

Raw audio/visual of Caroline at age 15 while she was in hiding with us http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uE_xg9zpd7w

Planning an extraction of the same runaway

Planning Caroline’s Rescue with her cousin Sarah Cooke/Jay http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1xPJPHIx590

The HUMAN RIGHTS question, do these children, women, have equal protection under the law?

By: Jay

Jay — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:11:42 +0000

Eldorado Texas FLDS Prophet Explains Polygamy to children grades 5th to 8th.

Warren Jeffs Explaining POLYGAMY http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fbudqrmFSDs

Warren Jeffs #2 Cont. on Polygamy http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXA2JxGrJw

Warren Jeffs #3 Continued on Polygamy http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JWzXCdehMI4

By: Jamie

Jamie — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:42:02 +0000

I will state that I do not like the FLDS church. That said, where is the due process? All of these children seized based on a phone call, the caller as yet unknown? If there has been abuse prove it, otherwise butt out of these people’s lives. A national disgrace.