Comments on: Updated: Against Anarchism https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Steven Stipulkoski https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3034 Sat, 03 May 2008 14:35:45 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3034 Limited government is not enough. A key ingredient is division of powers. This is certainly one of the most effective hobblers of government yet found.

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By: Tim Hopkins https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3032 Sat, 03 May 2008 05:18:18 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3032 Myron,

A classical liberal “limited government”, is not utopian? And if an eternally vigilant population can conceivably act to keep a government limited, can anarchists not similarly assume the same societal vigilance in keeping their institutions from exceeding their proper bounds? In an e-list debate many years ago (ironically, a debate between neo-Objectivists on anarchism vs limited government), George Smith made the point that it will not do for minarchists to subject their limited government to philosophical analysis, while subjecting free market justice agencies to sociological predictions. I have no problem in assuming the worst in people, but if one insists, against all logic, that there *can be * effect and permanent natural checks against governmental tyranny, why is a similar assumption unwarranted among anarchists regarding a stateless society? In fact, in a society that, by definition lacks any formal territorial monopoly of legitimized violence, I think it can be argued that popular vigilance would be much harder to overcome.

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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3029 Fri, 02 May 2008 21:45:44 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3029 I have not seen an example of a stable working anarchy so I consider anarchism to be a form of utopianism. The Rothbardians and others are correct, however, that limited government often evolves into tyranny. Benjamin Franklin mentioned it in September 1787:

” I agree to this Constitution with all its faults—if they are such—because I think a general government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and I believe, further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other”

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/writings/franklin_on_const.htm

Still, I hope for a “classical liberal” limited government with an eternally vigilant population to KEEP IT LIMITED. Sadly, we have gone from Jefferson, Franklin, and Madison to Bush, Clinton, Obama, and McCain – and most people prefer it that way!

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By: Steven Stipulkoski https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3028 Fri, 02 May 2008 20:36:48 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3028 I have read all of Ayn Rand’s books though it was long ago (1970’s). She said a lot of good things but I eventually moved on for the following reasons:

1. She was an atheist. This seems silly because how does one prove a negative? [And how does one credibly defend the West?–IM]

2. She opposed all altruism when only involuntary altruism should have been opposed.

3. She was pro-choice thus violating the rights of the unborn. Did she think her right to sexual pleasure trumped an innocent person’s life?

But she took on the two main enemies of freedom, big government and central banking, so she remains a hero. [As a defender of natural rights she was brilliant.–IM]

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By: John Danforth https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3016 Fri, 02 May 2008 05:53:11 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3016 Ilana, I think I’ve figured out where this hostility comes from. People begin reading one of the novels, and when they see themselves being starkly depicted in one of the characters, they recoil in shock and horror. As well, many people get to the ‘speech’, and simply can’t hack it. That’s fine, it wasn’t written for them.

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By: Andrew T. https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3015 Fri, 02 May 2008 02:03:12 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3015 Actually, I know a whole lot about what Rand herself believed; I could eloquently summarize all 5 branches of her philosophy if so demanded, and I have a lot of biographical knowledge about her too. But I’ve never read any of her books in their entirety, and in truth, her novels are not necessary to understand either her personality or philosophy. In fact, in my opinion they’re not even a good way. Besides, Rand had herself convinced that Immanuel Kant was the root of all evil, and she admitted to never reading anything that Kant wrote.

Knowing about someone doesn’t necessarily mean I have to read a 50-page speech written by a fictional character in their novel.

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By: Andrew T. https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3014 Fri, 02 May 2008 01:06:30 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3014 I don’t understand why the proponents of minimal government still tote [sic] Ayn Rand as though she was some kind of trophy. It’s my opinion that Rand contributed nothing original or meaningful to any field other than a few oddball novels that everyone’s read and hardly anyone has taken seriously. She was a very totalistic and pretentious woman. As you’re not 100% into her philosophy, Rand would’ve believed you’re “irrational” and therefore hate yourself. I especially think she and her followers always exaggerated the fellowship between her ideas and those of Aristotle and particularly Thomism-Scholasticism, to establish a false sense of continuity.

I’ve never read any of her books cover-to-cover, and probably never will. I proudly carry this fact like a bumper sticker.

[It’s beyond me how anyone who confesses to knowing nothing about a significant thinker can be proud of condemning her based on know-nothingness. You condemn your own assertions.—IM]

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By: Tim Hopkins https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3012 Thu, 01 May 2008 07:17:24 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3012 Citing your summary above:

“…fundamentally different and competing views of justice (right and wrong) will arise in anarchy. It’s inevitable. How does one reconcile this with a view of the immutability of the natural law and the emphasis on the search for truth as the ultimate value of justice?”

While you admit that this same problem plagues minarchism, I don’t see how it should lead one to doubt anarchism any more than the validity of limited government. Justice and the rule of objective law flows from a culture and intellectual tradition that upholds these values, and as such really has nothing to do with whether it is administered by a “final arbiter” (which, even by todays standards, is largely a fiction) or a plurality of competing institutions.

Can we conceive of a decentralized network of institutions specializing in protection and defense based on identical or uniform principles of natural justice, but differing perhaps in optional matters, such as price? I agree that such an outcome is questionable in any human society given human diversity. However, that such an outcome is virtually nonexistent in the modern state presents a problem for minarchism. If one can make the sociological prediction that true justice will fail under any coercive, territorial monopoly of violence, this argument must have equal force against any theoretical consideration of minarchism, and does not merely function as a “cheap victory” for anarchists.

In short, I think anarchism, like atheism, is inherently negative, as it pertains to the absence of a state. Libertarian anarchism is a more ambitious theory of a society in which the principles of justice you refer to are upheld by voluntary economic relations. This may be considered wishful thinking, but under minarchism it is inconceivable. A society with liberty and property as the prevailing values *might* be able to tolerate a stateless legal order. It cannot *in principle*, tolerate the state.

Ms. Mercer, I find your articles outstanding and I have no doubt about the thought you would put into a position as fundamental as this. So I hope in registering my disagreement, I have done justice to your viewpoint.

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By: Andrew T. https://barelyablog.com/against-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-3011 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:43:12 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=618#comment-3011 I agree!

I admire Hans-Hermann Hoppe, but I disagree with him in one major way and that’s because I think the case he makes for anarchism is far, far from unassailable. To be antiwar is to be against the greatest sort of war conceivable: the War of All Against All, which I think comes of anarchy by implication, and therefore by definition.

“Private production” of things like defense and even roadways is praxeologically indefensible since the driving motive from the perspective of the supplier will generally be that of attaining the highest profit gains, rather than the aggregate utility that comes of such things in the long run. But anarchists would contend that “absolute freedom” is more important than justice that does not deviate; though principally they are against a private court ruling unjustly, they have no sense of rational expectations. I can’t stand it when the people at Mises.org try to explain away the solidly limited government views of people like Bastiat, Menger, Bohm-Bawerk, Mises, and Hayek for their own “market anarchist” agenda. R. Dr. Israel Kirzner may be, in my opinion, insufficiently radical politically, but his interpretation of Mises comes out to be highly accurate.

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