Comments on: UPDATED (8/8/021): ‘American Children Came Top At Thinking They Were Good At Math, But Bottom At Math’ https://barelyablog.com/american-children-came-top-at-thinking-they-were-good-at-math-but-bottom-at-math/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ian “Red” Rivers https://barelyablog.com/american-children-came-top-at-thinking-they-were-good-at-math-but-bottom-at-math/comment-page-1/#comment-27006 Sun, 08 Aug 2021 11:15:28 +0000 https://barelyablog.com/?p=154353#comment-27006 Not surprising. I think the decline has been going on for a long time. When I entered a well-ranked STEM university in 1974, I suffered a pretty bad first quarter, as did a number of other aspiring engineers. Those of us who survived all had to agree that college improved as soon as we accepted that it was not just the 13th grade. I did note that the guys who’d graduated from Catholic (boys) high schools seemed to have a better grasp of what to expect. The colleges back then were still trying to uphold standards—they brought in a lot of serious students from foreign countries. They didn’t care that you had grown up with The New Math, or that McGuffey Readers had been eliminated. You better be able to read and write and do derivatives and integrals.

Now, I’m not so sure they hold to the same standards. In the late 70s, with a mere bachelors degree I was able to get a good job with a major aerospace company. Many did. Few engineers went to graduate school, which seemed like a path into academia in those days. A bachelors degree in engineering from that era was sufficient to ensure that the holder could be trained to handle virtually all of the tasks needed to put an aircraft aloft. If an engineer went to grad school at that time, it was almost always to get an MBA. These days, I notice that companies hire new graduates already possessing a master’s in engineering, and those that only have a bachelors degree, are all planning to get a master’s. It would seem the extra credential is needed for basic assurance. Just as UPS only hires people for delivery jobs who are college graduates. With them, their needs are a little more basic. The degree, they believe, gives them some assurance that the employee can read an address.

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