Comments on: Update III: Beck Blasts Bush (But Praises Diablo) https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Frank Brady https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9088 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:47:31 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9088 Mr. Glisson, I don’t understand your last paragraph. You wrote: “The tenure of the thread changed from Glenn Beck to ‘whether we should allow foreigners the rights of the US Justice system.’ I have not expressed an opinion on this; however, Ilana (The host) has stated her opinion under “Update Two.” Therefore, you should be arguing with her, rather than straining gnats with me.”

Sigh! The entire point of my posts was to demonstrate that there is nothing that authorizes the government to deny anyone “rights of the US Justice system”…which is right on topic.

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9085 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:41:33 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9085 Mr. Brady:
Since you define ‘citizen’ as being a word defined and only having credence by governmental decree “the United States had no citizens until ratification of the 14th Amendment” or as I understand your writing, the country has no ‘citizens’ until the state grants the ‘people of that country’ that privilege. Yours is the strictest definition, therefore I conceded defeat. You won, why are you beating a dead horse? If you choose to believe that no one was a citizen until 1868, so be it, I will continue on in my ignorance and consider Daniel Boone a citizen.
The tenure of the thread changed from Glenn Beck to ‘whether we should allow foreigners the rights of the US Justice system.’ I have not expressed an opinion on this; however, Ilana (The host) has stated her opinion under “Update Two.” Therefore, you should be arguing with her, rather than straining gnats with me.

[You’re right: debate should be on-topic.]

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By: Frank Brady https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9084 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:37:45 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9084 Mr. Huggins, I want to be certain I understand you.

1. Do you believe that half the Moslems in the world (500 million people) [where do you get this bogus, optimistic number!] hate the American people enough to want to kill us?
2. If you do believe that they hate the American people so much, what do you believe to be the cause(s) of that hatred?
3. Do you believe those 500 million people form a serious military threat against which we must defend ourselves?

Thanks.

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By: Frank Brady https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9083 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:21:56 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9083 Mr. Glisson, below please find direct quotes from the Constitution’s Bill of Rights which bear directly on our discussion. You will note that they speak of “the people” and “persons” and “the accused” and never speak of citizens.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Is it not absolutely clear that our government is directly violating the rather explicit language of these Amendments?

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By: james huggins https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9078 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:39:56 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9078 Mr Brady: I haven’t noticed the peaceful Muslims. I’m sure they are peaceful Muslims, and probably only a half billion Muslims want come over here and blow us up or pull out our finger nails with pliers or just hang us or behead us. [I believe that there are about 100 million Islamists; one percent or so of Muslims. But others on this blog have dismissed the meaning of that number; and will again when we are forced into repeating the same debate.]

Google “Mideast Executions” just to see what we are up against. Some people seem to look for any excuse to let the Muslims slide so as not to face them. I am not of that mind. If they want to jihad I’m willing to jihad with them. The comparison to “those violent Presbyterians” is the kind of nonsensical, factless moral equivalence that progressives just love.

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9072 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:34:10 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9072 Mr. Brady: Wiki dictionary/thesaurus states “2.people – the body of citizens of a state or country; “the Spanish people”
citizenry”
Also you are not quoting the Constitution but the “Decoration of Independence” which is not the same document.

However in the war of semantics- I declare you the winner.

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By: Frank Brady https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9069 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:50:51 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9069 Nice try, Mr. Glisson, but there are a number of problems with your “illuminating extra work” (not counting your wholly gratuitous conclusion that the word “people” can be read as “citizens”) including the inconvenient fact that the United States had no citizens until ratification of the 14th Amendment, an Amendment rammed through at gunpoint by Washington’s appointed legislatures at the conclusion of the North’s war of aggression against the States. Prior to that time, Americans were citizens of their respective states, not the United States.

The Declaration says that “all men…are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights” and there nothing in that statement can honestly be construed as meaning anything else.

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9067 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:27:11 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9067 Frank Brady: I went to the Wiki and read the whole part of the preamble you quoted. The post reads; “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” It states “We the people (read citizens) of the United states” and ends with “for the United States.” A minor detail that makes the document specific for the citizens of this country only. I do think that the creator does prefer everyone to have the right to freedom, but that doesn’t mean they get it. Sorry for taking up so much space, should have checked the document before replying.

[Excellent, RG; This kind of illuminating extra-work is encouraged.]

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By: Frank Brady https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9065 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:36:41 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9065 With respect, James, which “son of the desert” are you targeting? There are more than one billion Moslems in the world and most of them are no more a threat to us than, say, the average Presbyterian. The last time a nation designated an entire religious group as an enemy, the outcome was rather unpleasant.

[Sigh. I have just answered this liberal delusion in the post “Murder By Majority (Or Mercy Killing).” There I complained about the endless repetitions into which I am forced.]

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/beck-blasts-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-9064 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:33:31 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=21723#comment-9064 Frank Brady: “It is this great idea, that every living human person has been granted inviolable rights by God, that is the literal cause of American exceptionalism.” Every day I learn something new. Thanks. I’m going to have to go reread the Constitution, because I missed that thought/concept. It makes me think. I can’t say much about Glenn Beck either way; since I don’t watch him.

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