Comments on: Coercion As Cure: A Critical History Of Psychiatry By Thomas Szasz https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Laura Borst https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1635 Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:00:27 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1635 Dr. Szasz made some very true comments regarding the history of psychiatry. These comments are all too relevant in the present. There is no objective physical test for any “mental illness”,although psychiatrists claim there are such tests. However, the magnetic resonance imaging scans that are claimed to be indicative of “schizophrenia” really illustrate the brain damage that neuroleptic, also called “antipsychotic”, drugs can cause. Very often, people who claim to “help” people often harm them.

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By: Sam https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1377 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:11:37 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1377 It is sad, but true. Thomas Szasz line of thought rings out even more now in the 21st Century. However, there are schools in which psychology, and psychiatry, are taught as an art–in essence, one human being making a sincere effort to understand another’s lived experience. Yet in the day and age of managed care, the established consensus discounts this approach as sheer quackery. The way I was taught Thomas Szasz, the self-proclaimed experts need to perpetuate a faulty perspective in order to collect a pay check, and maintain a position of unquestioned authority.

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By: Phineas Worthington https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1225 Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:41:25 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1225 Thank you, Dr. Szasz, for your kind response.

May I address the following:
Mr. Worthington’s second comment implies — to assume that persons called “schizophrenic” ought to have less rights (and responsibilities) than “non-schizophrenic” persons.

I was going on the assumption that schizophrenics have equal rights to people of sound mind. As such, any threats of force schizophrenics may make against others are a violation against the rights of the innocents. Hence, it seems proper for the law to punish for such violations. “Crazy” people need to be held accountable for their actions just like people of sound mind.

It seems proper for law to punish threats of force, even the threats of schizophrenics.

I know, for instance, that for the average man, it only takes an accusation of a threat to get a restraining order against him. That, in turn, can lead to the taking away of second amendment rights and other rights too.

I am indeed trying to make my argument on the basis of an objective concept of equality.

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By: Ilana Mercer https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1220 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:22:57 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1220 Dr. Thomas Szasz replies:

In his comment of January 1, Mr. Worthington rightly emphasizes the distinction between words and deeds. Words — utterances before witnesses, letters or other published documents — are, to be sure, a species of action and may or may not be punishable by criminal sanctions. On January 2, Mr. Worthington asks, rhetorically: “… if a schizophrenic is a threat to himself or others, would it not fit the concept of natural law justice to lock him up?” My answer, of course, is that such a “diagnosis” would not justify locking up the subject under psychiatric auspices (because no one ought to be deprived of liberty under psychiatric auspices). If people and their legislators decide to make such “threats” punishable by criminal sanctions, and if a person is convicted under such a law, then it may be said to be “justifiable” to lock him up under the auspices of the criminal justice system. In that case, we would have added one more very bad law to our criminal laws.
I leave it to the readers to ponder why we moderns are predisposed — as Mr. Worthington’s second comment implies — to assume that persons called “schizophrenic” ought to have less rights (and responsibilities) than “non-schizophrenic” persons.

–Thomas Szasz

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By: dr.Laszlo Lajtavari https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1219 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:49:11 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1219 Thomas Szasz immigrated to the US in 1938, when he was 18 years old, from Hungary. His father was a very clever man, who exactly felt the real danger that frightened the life of all Jews in Europe. Thomasz Szasz inherited his father’s “clearvoyance” ability. I’m a 59 year old hungarian psychiatrist who very much admires Szasz. He is right, and his ideas about psychiatry are as obvious today as they were when he wrote his famous book, “The myths of mental Illness”. In my country “mainstream” psychiatry thinks he is a heretic and only two of his books were edited in his mother tounge some years ago.
I’m looking forward to reading his new book.

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By: Rick https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1214 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:26:52 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1214 Sorry about my impatience. Have you and yours a wonderful and happy New Year.

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By: D. Saul Weiner https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1213 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:30:46 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1213 Bravo to Dr. Szasz for his relentless attack against psychiatric coercion.

My only quibble in this article is that he seems to say that there is an absence of coercion in the rest of medicine. When you think about the immunization program, fluoridated municipal water supplies, and court decisions mandating chemotherapy for minors who would elect otherwise, it is apparent that coercion is not confined to psychiatry.

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By: Phineas Worthington https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1204 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:09:46 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1204 Ilana, your efforts, though unseen, are greatly appreciated by this reader who also has no free time.

I’d like to offer two examples of coerced psychotherapy and see if they fit the thesis proposed by Szasz in BAB.

First, if a schizophrenic is a threat to himself or others, would it not fit the concept of natural law justice to lock him up? Not for his own good mind you, but for the safety of others. Locking him up simply for his own good would fit the perverted model of coercive thereapy written about by the Professor. Locking him up to preserve his own life from himself maybe more of a grey area. However, locking him up to remove the threat to the lives of others would seem to fit the concept of justice in natural law, yes?

My second example is one experienced by someone with whom I am well acquainted. He was locked up in a mental hospital for a year for the crime of selling drugs as a minor. I think this might fit the criterion of coercive therapy that subverts the principles of natural law. To say nothing of the curious fact that the mental hospital was trying to force this person to take psychological drugs while being incarcerated for the use and selling of drugs. It seems at least an unfit punishment for the crime, especially since he had no mental illness. He certanily suffered emotional problems after his incarceration however.

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By: Rick https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1200 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:48:15 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1200 Where is my prior comment? Mrs. Mercer, I have enjoyed your column for the past couple years. Sadly, every time I give my humble opinion on any subject, it is not posted. If you have any reason for not doing so, please inform me and I will immediately cease to opine.

[Hey, don’t I get to take a break on the New Year? Patience, people. I don’t have a web manger; it’s me who does all editing, posting, and updating (in addition to writing for assorted deadlines, and a lot of cooking, cleaning, ironing, and jogging, of course). That’s why it often takes a while for letters to appear. Rick, I believe your letters are strewn all over BAB.]

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By: Phineas Worthington https://barelyablog.com/coercion-as-cure-a-critical-history-of-psychiatry-by-thomas-szasz/comment-page-1/#comment-1199 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:30:00 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=364#comment-1199 This explains the ‘psychiatric treatment’ sought by Mel Gibson and Mike Richards for their anti-semetic and racist rants. It’s not their fault, they’re just temporarily crazed.

Despite their poor behavior, the equivocation of words with deeds is an error.

Interesting how modern psychology equates words with deeds yet still manages to negate individual responsibility for both.

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