Comments on: ‘Global Warming: CO2, Sunspots, Or Politics?’ By Phil N. Baldwin, Jr. https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Phil Baldwin https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-2255 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:50:12 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=423#comment-2255 Dear Pil,

Ozone depletion has been tied to flurocarbons, mainly, and laws are in place to restrict their use. Global warming is not impacted by ozone depletion any more than by methane or CO2 for that matter. The key is the impacts of water vapour, precipitations, and their link to the sun’s energy. Weather people cannot predict the weather’s precipitation one week out, because of the severe complications of precipitations, rain, snow, on weather systems often miles from YOUR current weather. However, political weather folks want YOU to believe they can tell you what will happen DECADES ahead. How naïve.

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By: Phil Baldwin https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-2254 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:43:16 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=423#comment-2254 Dan McGuire:

You are right on target with your comments. The concept of P and R2Â is a bit much for most to handle. R2 seemed more intuitive, alone, though flawed. I write about nonsense correlationships in my applied stats book, so I understand what you are saying.

The whole arguement about correlationship of CO2 to Temp change is also flawed and I should leave it alone. Since water in the atmosphere overwhelms the idea of CO2, such information about CO2 and temperature change is nonsense to start with as an analysis basis. Thanks for your positive comments.

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By: Greg West https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-2230 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:23:33 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=423#comment-2230 The ozone layer is also very much part of the solar activity effect. The kool-aid drinkers tend to just want to blame mankind which is a symptom of a self-loathing psychopath.

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By: John Danforth https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-2224 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:51:58 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=423#comment-2224 Pil,

The ozone layer issue has never been posited to have any major effect on global temperature, as far as I can tell. UV radiation does not transmit very much heat, it’s the wrong wavelength. Even though its energy eventually gets transformed to heat, it has not been accused of being a major contributor. Interestingly, the ‘hole’ was discovered right after we gained a means of measuring it for the first time. In all the excitement, I have not been able to find any evidence for there not being holes in the past. In other words, the assertion is made that the hole is man-made, and nobody asks whether it could be a natural phenomenon that was periodically there before we could detect it.

The ‘psycho-historical analysis’ is right there in the media for anyone to analyze for themselves. I remember reading of “ozone holes over Kennebunkport, Maine” while Bush Sr. was president. The advocacy of an issue by researchers using the press to pressure politicians for public funding soon becomes transformed into government money being used to fund only research that promises evidence to support the advocated issue. Soon, the new orthodoxy purchases an avalanche of data in support of the hypothesis, scare stories get ratcheted up, evidence to the contrary is suppressed, and the few men of integrity who stand for the truth are subject to ridicule and attack. Consensus and public opinion completely and overwhelm reasoned arguments contrary to the orthodoxy. This ‘psycho-historical’ phenomenon is as old as history. Environmentalism is simply the new state religion. Will it be successful in creating a new dark age?

–John Danforth–

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By: Pil Koler https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-2219 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:53:40 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=423#comment-2219 Though I admire Baldwin’s perfunctory analysis of global warming conditions inside and outside of the Earth’s atmosphere, I must admit that I am not thoroughly satisfied by the analysis as it seems to totally neglect the matter of the ozone layer, the hole that we have been burning in it, and how that relates to global warming, let alone increased incidence of UV radiation. Furthermore, there is a lack of psycho-historical analysis as to why there are so many experts in the field who allege the existence of global warming, be it caused by carbon dioxide or ozone depletion.

Yours Truly,
Pil

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By: Dan Maguire https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-2214 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:46:26 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=423#comment-2214 Ilana:

Thanks for posting this great article by Mr. Baldwin.

I am going to pick a couple of nits before I offer my praise.

Mr. Baldwin is correct when he states that higher values of the coefficient of determination (R-Squared) tend to show a stronger relation between a predicted variable and its explanatory variable. In this case, the predicted variable is recorded temperature and the explanatory variable is the CO2 level.

First nit picked: a high R-Squared says nothing about causation – it says only that there is a high degree of correlation observed between the two variables. Lots of folks get this wrong. To be deliberately ridiculous, we may observe a R-Squared of 1.0 between, say, the winner of a horse race and the “coolness” of the winning horse’s name as voted by the audience, yet clearly there is no causation there. There may in fact be causation in other less ridiculous scenarios, but the R-Squared never proves it. Yes, I’m a nit-picking actuary geek.

Second, there are instances when a R-Squared of 0.21 actually accompanies a good model. Yes, 0.21 is low as far as R-Squareds go, but a more useful (in my opinion) diagnostic is to look at the “P-Value” of the explanatory variable. The lower the P-Value, the better. The P-Value says: what is the chance of observing the result I observed if in fact there is no underlying relationship? Thus, the P-Value of the CO2 explanatory variable may have been, say, 0.35, which would mean: there is a 35% chance of observing what I observed even if there is no true underlying relationship between CO2 and temperature. Statisticians generally like to see P-Values under 0.10, and under 0.05 are even better. My belabored point: it is possible for a model to have an R-Squared of 0.21, but a P-Value under 0.05.

OK, no more nit-picks. His idea to use the SCPI measure is brilliant, and this idea deserves greater exploration and, assuming it delivers good statistical correlation, as I gather it does, then this idea deserves the same level of attention as the blowhard Gore.

Well done!

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By: Jim Butler https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-2213 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:51:52 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=423#comment-2213 Ilana, I commend you for posting this technical yet easily understood explanation of global warming from Phil Baldwin. I remember from my time in Probability and Statistics classes at the Naval Academy that a good math professor in this area can make many things actually make sense! Not long ago I read an article concerning global warming that reported scientists who had observed other planets in our solar system whose polar icecaps were also reducing in size…. hmmm… Maybe Al Gore will report some interplanetary “worm hole” from earth to other planets and blame our “man generated” CO2 for causing warming there too? It’s sad that global warming enthusiasts seem unable to see the simple correlation between sun cycles and earth’s temperatures the way Baldwin’s article so nicely explains it.

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By: concha https://barelyablog.com/global-warming-co2-sunspots-or-politics-by-phil-n-baldwin-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-2212 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:52:30 +0000 http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=423#comment-2212 This is what we need to hear–a real expert, with real data, and not a politician.
There is a push to put rail lines in each city to get us out of our cars, permanently, to reduce carbon emissions. This is all a front to get the taxpayers to foot the bill for those rail lines that will eventually be sold to private corporations.
The whole carbon-induced global warming scam is just a way to limit our mobility, and benefit big business. I know it sounds “tin-foily” to quote Jeanne, but I have seen the paperwork.
It is part of the UN’s Agenda 21 plan, which is a very real thing–Google it sometime.
Thank you Mr. Baldwin for your candor and expertise.

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