Comments on: UPDATE V: Killjoy Jolie (Ignoble Savage) https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Van Wijk https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13464 Sun, 28 Nov 2010 01:21:32 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13464 Mari,

That was exactly my point. The Indians were killing each other for centuries before the first Europeans showed up, and they were certainly as aggressive as the whites (both sides who fought the French and Indian War employed enthusiastic Indian allies).

James Huggins makes a very valid point in that if the Indians had not been conquered, the United States would not exist in its present form. I would add that there is a dilemma that comes from wholesale condemnation of the treatment of the Indians, since every American reading this has profited directly from the conquest of Indian land. If what was stolen must be returned, are we not morally obligated to hand over most of the country? Should the colonists have been happy with the just the eastern seaboard?

So long as tribalism does not interfere with or replace moral and ethical concerns, a certain amount of tribalism is vital to a people’s survival. Naturally, it is only white people who have had the tribalism beaten out of them over the past several decades. Slowly but surely, it is returning. All other things being equal, the interests of my people trump yours. My people, right or wrong.

In the interests of transparency, I will also state that this woman was my blood. She was abducted with several other women and children by the Comanche, raped, impregnated, beaten, and brainwashed. Her grandfather John Parker had his genitals cut off before being scalped. Those who want to chide me into feeling guilty about what happened to the Indians will be waiting a long while.

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By: Jack https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13456 Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:13:07 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13456 I don’t even know if they are still together but I remember hearing Brad Pitt say they weren’t going to get married until everyone could get married, meaning gays of course.

I made a note to myself at that point that I wasn’t going to go see any of his movies until everyone else has seen them.

That’s pretty easy for me to say, however, since I rarely go to movies.

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By: Mari Tyers https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13453 Sat, 27 Nov 2010 08:59:10 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13453 Ilana,

First, a belated Happy Thanksgiving!

Second, in regard to Van Wijk’s comment:
It seems to me that he was repudiating the “Nobel Savage” myth that is common among leftists in regards to the Native Americans. While the Europeans certainly weren’t saints, neither were the Native tribes. Many of the tribes were fierce warriors, not meek little innocents. The colonists nearly lost the fight against the Native American tribes.

PS- Van Wijk, please correct me if I misinterpreted your comment.

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By: Dan Jeffreys https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13447 Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:20:18 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13447 Here’s a very good article pertaining to Indian relations http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=803

As is always the case, the history books are written by the victors.

Dan

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By: David Yeagley https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13445 Fri, 26 Nov 2010 16:34:54 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13445 “Civilization” is not synonymous with morality or integrity, obviously. White is not right by virtue of “civilization.” Right is right. Sometimes right means “civilization,” sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t think dialogue about social justice should be based on “civilization” v. “tribalism.” This is a false dichotomy. The point now is this: what positive role can Indians play in modern America? I have tried for ten years to make Indians part of the conservative dialogue. I find no professional conservative talkers (in media) able to talk about Indians, except in a derisive, negative, disdainful way. They have not understood their “guilt” properly at all, because they don’t understand American Indian history (which IS American history) properly. Ilana is one of the few exceptions, along with Michael Barone, Ann Coulter, (and believe it or not, Debbie Schlussel). Limbaugh, Ingraham, Hannity, Levine, etc., have no talking points at all about Indians–except stereotypical disdain. Pity.

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By: james huggins https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13443 Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:50:38 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13443 Conquest is never very civilized. I’m sure the Goths mistreated the Visigoths, the Romans mistreated the Gauls, etc. etc. ad infinitum. Frankly the Indians had to be neutralized and the Buffalo had to be killed off or we could never have had a country. I wonder how much corn would be grown in Iowa or wheat in Nebraska if 50,000,000 buffalo migrated through those areas 2 or 3 times a year. Not to mention having to fight Comanches on a regular basis. This is a harsh way to look at it but this is the way life is. Harsh.

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By: Andries https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13441 Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:36:22 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13441 If us proles should all go back to living in caves, where will miss Jolie get the money to fund her lifestyle with?

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By: Van Wijk https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13439 Fri, 26 Nov 2010 00:50:38 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13439 Ah yes, those peaceful, noble Indians, living in the Garden of Eden before those diseased and evil whites came along. I’m sure Jolie thinks that we should continue to feel guilty for slavery, even as whites are being actively culled in our cities. Heads the Other wins, tails you lose, forever.

The word “native” is used by liberals in order to delegitimize the actions of Europeans (“They were here first”), but liberals always attempt to arrest that train of thought before it can arrive at its logical conclusion. Once the “native” argument is begun, it never stops. The land that the natives occupied when Europeans arrived was owned by other “natives” at one point, before these were displaced or massacred by the “natives” that came after. All nations are created from conquest, including those of the “natives.”

If you make a treaty, you should keep it, but the Indians were not civilized people. The depredations common to virtually all the tribes, including the murder and scalping of women and children, could never be forgiven or forgotten. When one looks at the vast sweep of military history, it quickly becomes apparent that warfare is common to all mankind, and the primary sin of the Europeans is that they were simply better conquerors than the “natives.”

[What was done to the Indians, on the other hand, was not very civilized either.]

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By: Barbara Grant https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13438 Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:32:41 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13438 And on the economic lesson presented by Stossel: it’s interesting how both failure and success accrued to the same population, based entirely on their choices of what to do with available resources, both natural and human.

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By: Barbara Grant https://barelyablog.com/kill-joy-jolie/comment-page-1/#comment-13437 Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:02:27 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=31591#comment-13437 Myron, part of the point I think is that we should not _all_ go back to being hunter-gatherers, but you should and I should, while Angelina will not give up either her private plane or her Beverly Hills mansion. (And if she doesn’t own a plane, then surely she will be waved through the lines by TSA, while the rest of us will not.)

I would love to see privileged leftists like Angelina live in accord with their believes; it doesn’t happen.

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