Comments on: UPDATE IV: Not Cueing The Mariachi Band For Perry (Female Self-Ownership)

By: Robert Glisson

Robert Glisson — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:11:14 +0000

“To the o-so-smart pro-abortionists here: Self-ownership presupposes life.” First question- What pro-abortionists here? No one expressed an opinion of pro-abortion; though many expressed ABELARD’s view that; anti-abortionists only use abortion as a springboard into other things. Michel stated that she would like to reason with your first statement; but she didn’t think you would be willing to reason. Second question, what does “Self-ownership presupposes life.”, mean? I, being a reasoning being think I know what you mean; but, that only opens a door to rationalizing whatever. The thread was hijacked from Rick Perry and his not being clear on property rights to abortion; which the host said she did not want to discuss. The legality of the abortion issue was settled by the Supremes thirty-eight years ago. Find an argument to convince them to change their minds. My or anyone else’s opinion really has no value one way or the other. Let the rest of us with unresolved issues like the national debt, excessive immigration, our army killing innocent people in other lands, and the loss of personal freedom in just about every area fight those battles.

By: Bob

Bob — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:59:18 +0000

“I’d like to clarify (but not discuss abortion, because the abortion issue is one hill upon which I refuse to die …”

Does anybody else see the irony in this statement?

By: Daniel

Daniel — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:23:47 +0000

Coming back to Rick Perry, Larry Auster reminds us that Perry backed the fascist thug Rudy Guiliani in 2008: http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/019691.html

By: Reinhard Srajer

Reinhard Srajer — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:35:24 +0000

To the o-so-smart pro-abortionists here: Self-ownership presupposes life.
Chew on that one for a while if you dare before going off half-cocked again!

[An example of incivility. Why not make your point without all the angry words?]

By: Abelard Lindsey

Abelard Lindsey — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:06:17 +0000

The only way the abortion issue will ever be resolved is to allow biotechnology to finish severing the link between sex and reproduction. Seriously. This is the only positive sum solution to the problem where everyone gets what they want. The sooner the social conservatives recognize this reality and get with the program, the sooner the issue will be resolved.

By: Brett Gerasim

Brett Gerasim — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:32:55 +0000

“I believe in cutting off the nose of anyone who stick it into my personal affairs, whether they be liberal or conservative.”

Same here, and it is a false choice when we can only choose between do-gooders who want to take our resources and spend them on social engineering projects and do-gooders who want to take our resources and spend them on building a global morality police.

As far as I am concerned, we should not publicly fund abortion, embryo farming, etc., nor should we provide contraceptives as a public service. These products and services can and should be handled by qualified distributors, who should in turn be free to do as they wish to that end.

As an unrelated aside, Ilana, would you perhaps consider adding a preview box to the comment submission process in the future? It would make it much easier for poor typists like myself to catch errors, especially when a word processor application is not available. That and it would take some of the guesswork out of inserting HTML tags. Thank you for the wonderful blog.

[Okay. I have to ask my web-developer.]

By: Brett Gerasim

Brett Gerasim — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:22:06 +0000

It would seem to me that abortion becomes an issue in elections primarily because of the Roe v. Wade decision. It sends a message on the types of justices a President would appoint to the Supreme Court, and how a Senator would vote with regard to confirming such a justice.

Dan speaks to my second point made earlier, namely that nothing changes no matter what anyone says. That should be the real story with the Republicans and social issues, instead of grotesque debates over the point at which something (someone?) becomes or ceases to be human. I want no part of that, and I would note that such silliness is never applies to other animals that I know of.

By: Robert Glisson

Robert Glisson — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:11:04 +0000

I agree, that a person’s body is the base for all private property rights. If a person other than the individual is in control of how they eat, drink, sleep, smoke, then that individual doesn’t have property rights over anything.A drunk becomes a public drunk and therefore arrestable if he/she are observable. Do not buckle your seat belt and a lien is placed on your wallet. Rick Perry doesn’t seem to have caught the point.

By: Valerie

Valerie — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:15:43 +0000

The abortion issue is self-defeating for Conservatives. Women having abortions are largely members of the Free Sh*t Army which is destroying civilization. Margaret Sanger was right about the need to prevent their procreation.

By: Myron Pauli

Myron Pauli — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:06:17 +0000

There were 50 state laws on abortion until Republican-appointed Harry Blackmun decided to merge the musings of his Mayo Clinic physician buddies and the vaguely written 14th Amendment into a stream-of-consciousness halachic decision known as Roe v. Wade. Since then, 55% of black pregnancies get aborted compared to 1/3 of Hispanics and 11% of white, demographically skewering the electorate in favor of the hypocritical Pharisee-Republicans who refused to vote on Ron Paul’s motion to strip federal court jurisdiction on the abortion issue.

Nevertheless, GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOOD AT SOLVING MORAL ISSUES. If abortion were illegal in Utah and legal in Nevada (e.g. no 14th Amendment hooey), then a woman can still board a Greyhound bus and get the procedure.

As for the Sadduccee-Democrats to invoke “freedom of choice” – that is the ONLY choice they favor. No choice to own a gun, attend a school, smoke a cigarette, fire employees, raise rent, etc.

Libertarians can probably conduct more civilized debates on the issue (I debate myself!!!) because they are not tied to partisan hypocritical paranoid mudslinging.

I despise abortion yet I consider the slogan “AGAINST ABORTION – DON’T HAVE ONE” to be the most moral libertarian position on the subject.