Comments on: Update III: On Libertarians Who Dismiss The NRA (& ‘Heller’) https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: james huggins https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3523 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:30:41 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3523 The NRA isn’t perfect. They swim in polluted waters in order to get the job done. But to dismiss them for a lack some perfect adherance to a particular idea is foggy thinking at best. The NRA fights the battle for us all. And darned effectively.

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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3519 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:09:16 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3519 Ilana, the Wayne LaPierre statement from your previous post basically endorsed McCain and lauded Scalia, admittedly on the gun issue (where McCain & Scalia are certainly BETTER than Obama & Ruth Ginsburg). This might be fine if McCain were only President for gun control vetoes and Scalia was only Justice for gun ownership cases. However, McCain carries the neo-con Wilsonian policy, McCain global warming, McCain immigration, McCain Feingold, and the list is nearly endless. And Scalia has his statist peccadilloes as I have pointed out.

Certainly, any single-issue organization can look at the particular aspect of a candidate or judge that suits their fancy. When you look at the ENTIRE package, the Republicans – Nixon, McCain, Scalia, Bush, Cheney – have been leading the country down the road to serfdom – but they drive in the right side of the road and Clinton, Obama, and Ginsburg drive on the left side. I’ve watched “Republican-leaning” libertarians delude themselves for over 40 years since 1968 – I’m just old!

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By: Barbara Grant https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3516 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:39:06 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3516 I think it’s extremely important to celebrate any victory toward the cause of freedom. If we become pre-occupied with the larger picture (what is happening, on the grander scale, in this country) we risk becoming despondent and giving up the fight.

As I’ve stated elsewhere, many people have been fighting valiantly for Second Amendment rights for many years, and they are achieving victories. Their efforts should be celebrated, and renewed vigor given to that cause.

Please realize how much freer we are in America than folks are in the U.K., who don’t really have free speech anymore as we know it here. They are under strictures from their “masters” in Brussels, and woe befall anyone who goes against those proscriptions!

We still have a lot of liberty in the U. S., and we need to continue to fight for it, celebrating one victory at a time.

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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3515 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:30:02 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3515 Ilana, your valued reader (me), has NO problems allying with the NRA or ACLU or any other group when they defend freedom but I do not wish to buy off on the “whole agenda” of many of these groups. For example: NRA’s adulation of one Antonin Scalia: he is the judge who ruled that elementary school children can be forced to give their urine to the government. [And this relates to the narrow cause of the NRA how?–IM] Scalia does not believe in habeas corpus for Jose Padilla or designated “enemy combatants”. Scalia did not even join O’Connor, Rehnquist, or Thomas on Gonzales v. Raich (does a medical marijuana smoker “interfere with interstate commerce”?!). Yes, Dick Cheney and the NRA may worship at the Church of Scalia but I claim that Scalia defends liberty only occasionally. [How you get from one point of the debate, the NRA and its narrow sphere of activism, and a tirade against Scalia is beyond my ken.–IM]

Yes, for the most part, pro-gun matches pro-liberty. But the voters of Kenesaw, Georgia (in response to the gun confiscating idiots of Morton Grove, IL) voted to require homeowners to possess a gun. I think both of us would agree that Mohandas Ghandi has as much right to NOT own a gun as Charlton Heston has to own a gun. Gun rights should be based on liberty, not upon cultural preferences like vegetarianism.

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By: EN https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3514 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:28:33 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3514 “What chance do we have now of really doing anything? Again, not really any.

Being armed is giving us a chance. Being armed and allowed to defend ourselves, something that’s not allowed in most western countries, is a net positive. Recent supreme court rulings on the matter are reaffirming that right and the NRA was behind it. Forgive me if I’m not getting the big picture but the little picture was covered very well By Fred Reed in his latest column.

Roll Over, Bark, and Beg

Fertilizer for the Pansy Bed
http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm

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By: socalserf https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3513 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:10:08 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3513 I much prefer the GOA and JFPO to the NRA. My human rights come from god, not a legislature or a constitution.

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By: Alex https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3512 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:21:24 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3512 One other comment (I hope I am not doing what you might consider ‘spamming’)…

I see eye to eye a lot with MP. While you might advocate the idea of being a ‘realist’ and not a utopian, I think that he *is* being a realist.

The problem that he conceptualizes, and one that I agree with, is that wee are so far gone that we can’t really do much. In all honesty, when was the last time we really had a major victory for liberty? The country continues to slide down a road of sludge, for reasons that MP explained; *both* conservatives and liberals are bad, even though liberals are much, much worse.

I don’t want to sound defeatist, but nobody in American believes in the (really) free market, and nobody in America (really) believes in property rights, and (really) nobody in America believes in the idea of a classical liberal decentralized Republic.

In a previous post, I mentioned that even early Americans, supposedly educated on the evils of a strong government, gave in to a lot of big government ideas.

What chance do we have now of really doing anything? Again, not really any. This isn’t crying in a corner and stating we are better than everyone else in matters of politiics (although we are). This is stating a very *realist* approach, having nothing to do with utopia.

[What has happened to you? You used to talk to the point. We are discussing Second Amendment Rights. Each time the NRA litigates the Castle Doctrine in an opposing state and wins, liberty is a little stronger. Your other post, in case you wondered, condescendingly mischaracterized my very public position on the libertarian law. The rules for posting are here.–IM]

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By: AnIdea https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3510 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:20:42 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3510 The reason I stopped being involved with the LP years ago is that they don’t understand “the perfect is the enemy of the good.” They were so busy fighting with each other over LP utopianism that they allow the other major parties to sprint even further ahead.

The two party system has wrecked the country through incrementalism. Short of a full-blown second American revolution, the LP party is going to have to use the same tactics to undo the damage. They just don’t seem to grasp that big picture plans can be implemented in small steps instead of all at once.

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By: EN https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3509 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:46:19 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3509 When California Senate Bill 420 took affect in 2004 it went a long way towards ending government oppression of Marijuana “users”. However, this wasn’t good enough for the LP–it couldn’t stand the idea of any regulation whatsoever. Most would rather thousands of people be incarcerated every year than allow any restrictions at all. They stood shoulder to shoulder with law enforcement on this issue. Two years later, the law enforcement predicted Apocalypse failed to materialize and more Californians then ever are convinced it’s a useless to criminalize it… no thanks to the Libertarians.

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By: Andrew T. https://barelyablog.com/on-libertarians-who-dismiss-the-nra/comment-page-1/#comment-3507 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:05:05 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=679#comment-3507 I think the best course of action to take regarding the NRA is to stand with the NRA every time that they are right on a bill, while consistently denouncing their blunders. This way, the NRA becomes stronger because it has more supporters, but is required to retain a level of ideological purity in order to retain your support.

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