Comments on: Update III: Survival On The Road To Serfdom https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: John Danforth https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5487 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:27:55 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5487 If the dollar crashes, most people will lose their jobs. Self-employed people in heavily specialized fields that depend on other businesses probably will, too (me). When the division-of-labor economy crashes, most people that live in cities will be helpless. With income cut off, no way to get employment, and savings wiped out, then food, fuel, electricity, and heat will become the most important subjects on people’s minds.

If the government imposes price controls and/or starts passing out ration coupons, then the suppliers will balk at producing for a loss; the people will demand that the goods be seized, and after they are seized, only government will remain to produce them. Price-controlled goods will disappear off shelves; bread at the real price will be contraband. At least that’s the pattern from the past. A tax revolt has no meaning when the currency crumbles – there’s nothing to tax and government turns to just printing as fast as it can.

If all this happens then an escape plan to get out of the city is a very good idea. There could be widespread rioting, burning, looting, bloodshed and mayhem. This is just starting in other countries already. Don’t overlook the possibility of government using any event as an excuse to declare martial law. Don’t forget about agent-provocateurs inciting idiotic actions by zealous but under-endowed enthusiasts in order to smoke out sympathizers. If things look like a powder keg, I’m taking my survival stuff and heading out away from the big city, before gasoline gets cut off. (I do have a place to run away to, and at least I’ll have water.)

Most people don’t know how to value gold or silver coins, it will take awhile for them to get used to the idea. These will probably be declared to be contraband. I can’t afford to buy gold anyway, so I buy silver quarters. But people will trade for bullets, rifles, cigarettes, chocolate, fuel, and other staples. Having a stash of these might come in very handy in bargaining your way out of a hot spot.

I am suspicious that the one-world-government types can see this coming as well as we can, and I worry that their contingency plan is to give the people what they want if everything collapses — total government takeover of everything (temporary measure for your own good, of course). Current policy seems bent on destroying our division-of-labor economy and the ability of the people to resist right along with it. Test balloons are being floated daily in the press about a new currency. The question before us is how we can stop them from knocking the country over like a straw man and then riding in to the rescue with a fascist make-over. If we can stop it before they reduce us to total subsistence, that would be the best outcome. If we can’t, I’d rather trade with farmers for food than depend on centrally distributed food, water, electricity, and heat. I hope I’m wrong, I hope it never comes to that. But I’m not going to be caught unprepared. And that means well-armed, too.

The only restraint on any government is its estimation of what it can get away with without being deposed. As long as it has the moral sanction of a majority of its subjects, it is safe doing whatever it wants. The trick is in which way the anger of the mob will be manipulated when the current plan ruins their lives.

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By: David Tatosian https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5486 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:49:38 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5486 Myron-
You expect several million individuals and “hundreds of thousands of small business” to engage in “a popular tax rebellion”?
Who? Which Americans?
The ones participating in these charming little tea parties? but those are the same ones who sat on their ever widening butts while showing no interest in the illegal alien invasion, the disastrous consequences of civil rights laws’ infringements on property, and the slow creep of sharia aren’t they?
The time was never ripe enough to stop any of that?
Will the time be more ripe when the state makes an example of those few, those happy few tax rebels, or will those millions you refer to simply recommit themselves to their vow of silence and slink away? mumbling about the ripeness of time of course.
Experience indicates the latter.
As to Bush and Obama being made of straw…so what?
Their plans for the country proceed apace don’t they?
And just to be clear, the “Sporadic violence” of Oklahoma City is vastly different from the state initiated violence that occurred at Ruby Ridge.
And not for nothing but that repression you refer to is already here. Take a look at some youtube videos of cops and national guardsmen taking weapons away from law abiding citizens in the aftermath of Katrina.
Finally, no offense sir, I’m with those rednecks you disparaged rather than those pencil necks who did nothing but blubber over their handful of dimes while this nation
tanked.
Have a good day.

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5483 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:08:53 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5483 Aw Heck, everyone else is jabbering, I might as well throw in my two cents worth. The question was, what do we do to survive in this mess. Revolution is not going to work, even if we did, we’d get something worse. The US is copying all the history of the old USSR, and will eventually fail the same way.

In the meanwhile, the normal citizen has two choices, become a dependent of the government or learn to work within the system, like Harry Browne advised in his book, ‘How to live free in a repressive society’ (I may have the title slightly off, can’t find my copy right now, but it’s a good read) The full repercussion of the present mess won’t hit for years, in the meantime, learn and teach your kids independence, navigation of red tape, because more and more regulations are coming, learn barter and its related functions. Like my computer is locally built, same case, third motherboard, third hard drive, never outdated. If you go into business, consider developing a second similar business, rather than expanding the one you have, so that you stay under the Federal radar. Since interest rates are artificially low, use credit to your advantage, but carefully. Invest in hard goods, the socialist jungle just requires more planning and CYA (Cover your you know what) Otherwise support the free thinkers like Ilana, so that our kids will have a reference to rebuild on, when the house of cards tumbles.

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By: Michel Cloutier https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5482 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:26:11 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5482 Leonard, I don’t think the price of gold would shoot that high. Throughout the 20th century, what an ounce of gold could buy remained fairly constant, and this would be the case for any relatively ‘functional’ society. If things were really go down the drain, a good pair of boots or a slaughtered pig would be as useful as ‘coin’. But I sincerely don’t think we’ll get there

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By: H Engelbrecht https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5481 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:00:33 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5481 I agree with Myron Pauli, sporadic rebellion will not get you anywhere but jail. Don’t for one moment think that I’m a hippie, I did my National Service and I will act to defend myself and my family. But when I end up in jail who will take care of my family?

Myron’s idea of withholding taxes has more merit. In SA a National Taxpayers Union has been formed. The citizens of certain towns are withholding their property taxes due to poor service delivery, and I believe they use these taxes (which are paid into a trust-fund instead) to provided these services themselves. You can read about it here: http://www.mg.co.za/organisation/national-taxpayers-union .
Obviously they are making use of loopholes in the relevant legislation, and you may not necessarily get away with it, but perhaps it is worthwhile getting your lawyers to look into. Of course this only relates to property taxes but there may be possible ways of expanding the scope thereof.
Good luck with any which way to decide on.

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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5479 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:27:13 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5479 If there is sufficient public opinion to back a popular tax rebellion, several million non-compliances and hundreds of thousands of small business non-complicances can do a lot – the US is like the British and people like Bush and Obama have no real convictions and are made of straw – but the time is not ripe. Sporadic violence (like Oklahoma City or Ruby Ridge) will be used to justify repression. Massive civil war is likely to result in repression by the victors over the losers (see Francisco Franco vs. the Spanish commie/socialists). I somewhat doubt the US is going to get far throwing 25% of small business owners and its most productive people in camps at public expense when the government has gone bankrupt.

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By: Mari Tyers https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5478 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:45:07 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5478 Most Americans are lazy and apathetic, and are used to following those in authority. Remember, most Americans spent their formative years in thrall to the educrats that have discouraged critical thought. Before any type of armed revolution has a hope of succeeding, the majority of people must believe in the ideas behind the revolution. I don’t think the American people currently have the resolve to stand up to Federal tyranny.

Mr. Pauli- Last time I checked, rednecks didn’t shoot up the local Post Office. That grisly task got left to the disgruntled employee fed up schilling for the Federal Government.

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By: Leonard https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5477 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:40:22 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5477 Don’t forget gold. Gold should be an important part of everyone’s toolkit for worst case scenarios.

I don’t think it’s going down the toilet this time. But if I did… in addition to ammo and canned food, I’d have gold in my possession. Because preceding any serious collapse of the state, it will thrash and trash its currency.

You think $1000/oz is high? (So do I; can’t bring myself to buy; can’t it go down to ‘just’ $800?) But if Ben Bernanke is cornered and fires up the helicopters, and the dollar collapses from kilo-inflation, and no other fiat currency can fill the slack as the world’s money…. we can expect gold prices of perhaps $100000/oz. (Some thoughts and calcs on that here.)

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By: Van Wijk https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5476 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:36:25 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5476 Non-violent civil disobedience depends entirely upon the nature of the enemy. Ghandi succeeded because he was up against the British. If he’d been born a Soviet subject, he’d be in a mass grave in Siberia somewhere and no one would know his name. This country already has detention camps which would be perfect for housing enemies of the state. If you wish to put yourself into their power, be my guest; all you can do is hope that you’re treated humanely. We’ll see how far civil disobedience gets you when the government ceases to care about any law but its own power. Forgive me if I don’t join you.

Also, there are some 250 million privately owned firearms in this country. Purchases of what the gov’t calls “assault weapons” has skyrocketed in recent months, and I don’t think it’s all gangsters and thugs doing the buying. I take exception to your characterization of the armed citizenry as “a handful of rednecks.” Shame on you.

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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/on-the-road-to-serfdom-weathering-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-5471 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:24:09 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=6537#comment-5471 A revolution needs IDEAS more than it needs guns. Right now, among the non-apathetic, roughly 35% are Democratic statists, 35% Republican statists, 20% independent statists, and 10% scattered among anarchists, Constitutionalists, communists, Islamists, etc. At some future date, should things really get bad (we still have an $ 8 Trillion private sector which is rather prosperous) and public opinion shifts…. – THEN massive, organized, principled, non-violent civil disobedience such as 20% of small business owners refusing to withhold taxes and 10% of the people willing to stop filling out 1040’s – filling up the courthouses and jails with principled non-violent protest until the system breaks down – would slay the beast. However, a handful of rednecks shooting up a Post Office will NOT do and will, in fact, rally popular opinion behind the government.

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