Comments on: Updated: O’Reilly Won The Battle But Lost The Debate https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: CT Woman https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4550 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:38:23 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4550 Christianity is in no way America’s founding faith. According to Isaac Kramnick, a professor of government at Cornell University, America was founded as a secular state–completely neutral towards all forms of religious expression.

“In 1787,” Kramnick writes, “when the framers excluded all mention of God from the Constitution, they were widely denounced as immoral and the document was denounced as godless, which is precisely what it is.”

Opponents of the Constitution challenged ratifying conventions in nearly every state, calling attention to Article VI, Section 3: “No religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

The United States Constitution is a completely secular political document. It begins “We the people,” and contains no mention of “God,” “Jesus,” or “Christianity.” Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as, “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust.” (Article VI), and “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” (First Amendment).

Regarding the FFRF display in Olympia, WA on public property….It, as well as all the other displays, are unconstitutional. Support our Constitution’s separation of church and state and set up the Nativity on church property next year. Problem solved!

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By: Jeffery J. Tokarsky https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4547 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:52:16 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4547 The atheist rant is against the law. The law is: if you can’t say anything nice about someone, don’t say anything at all. The nativity scene, menorah and Christmas tree are positive religious traditions. The atheist placard was not a celebration of atheism, but a mean spirited attack of believers. At first, I was offended, but now see it as serving a higher purpose. Both the unhardened atheist heart and unenslaved atheist mind on display appear to be angry and mean and uninviting. If this is be the opening salvo of their membership drive, religion is surely safe. Take care, Jeff

[Your law outlaws freedom of speech.–IM]

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By: Blode032222 https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4546 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:59:59 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4546 … And of course, I should add (without trying to filibuster) that the atmosphere in Germany in the late 20s / early 30s was thick with intimidation by National Socialist thugs. These helped Hitler come to power by threatening anyone who stood up to him. This is why it is hard to say Hitler’s rise to power was completely legal; if someone failed to give a speech at an anti-Nazi rally because they were afraid of getting (illegally) beaten up, and other parties won a propaganda “victory by default”, that is not completely legal.

On the other hand, several parties (neither liberal nor Nazi) held their owns at the polls right up to 1933. They include the clerical Center party (which held steady), the Social Democrats (who declined somewhat but not precipitously), and the Communists (ditto). Whether these parties fared better than the liberals because they were less intimidated, or because their voters were inherently different from liberals, is a matter of interpretation.

[Intimidation is one thing; forcing one to vote quite another. Most of the German people were not intimidated. People went to the polls for Adolph.–IM]

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By: Blode032222 https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4545 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:48:07 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4545 Those of us from a country with an executive president always wrestle a little with the concept of who “won” an election in a country without one. Wikipedia tells part of the fascinating story of the Nazi Party’s rise to power. It took several steps. Just click through the elections of 1928, 1930, etc. to watch the vote for the NSDAP rise and the votes for the liberal parties collapse.

It’s a semantic argument whether the NSDAP ever won any fair elections, because victory is only clear when there is (a) one person to be elected and (b) that person is the most important in the country.

The man who appointed Hitler Chancellor (Hindenburg) won fair and square, but by tradition the President was supposed to (like the King in Britain) appoint someone chief executive who could win votes in parliament, assemble a cabinet out of a successful bundle of parties, etc.

The Nazi party’s share in Reichstag elections increased steadily, with a single downward blip, from its 2.6% performance in 1928 to an unprecedented 43.9% in 1933. They never got a majority, which is why some say they never “won”, but majorities in multiparty systems are exceedingly rare. In both 1932 elections and in 1933 they got pluralities; in 1933 they and the DNVP (a party closely aligned with Hitler at that point) got a majority (51.9% of the vote) between them.

I’d say, Hitler came to power by way of election results.

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By: Catherine https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4534 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:25:41 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4534 Ms. Mercer – bravo – a succinct analysis of Mr. O’Reilly’s style in general. I’ve contacted him on one or two occasions, imploring that he cease discussing Catholic theology – talk about a twisted application of positivism! His knowledge of Catholicism is sophomoric and embarrassing, yet he insists on his personal interpretation of doctrine and dogma as truth. Moral relativism is a dangerous slippery slope, fueled by a philosophy such as positivism, as exhibited by Mr. O’Reilly’s commentary on many matters!

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By: O'Neill https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4533 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:20:05 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4533 Au Contrare – Christianity is not America’s founding faith. The Native’s were animinst’s. There were Jews who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Christianity is not a faith in the sense of a single set of belief’s. Witness all of the different versions. Jamestown VA, 13 years before the Mayflower’s arrrival was a commercial venture. Tom Paine, one of the movers behind independence was an atheist. America is still not a Christian nation. American’s are independent. That means each person’s belief’s are to be protected and also means no group can demand government support, at least if the old Consitution is enforced. America protects the minority and the smallest minority is the individual. O’Reilly disrespects Atheists which blinded him to the reality of viewpoint protection and caused him to lose the battle and will also cause him to lose the war in the public square.

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By: Ray https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4530 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:36:12 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4530 Memo to Erudites:

Wonderful piece (as usual!) Thank-you.

No need to apologize btw… I think we’re all getting pretty tired. Well-known (to some anyway) or not, Hitler is an excellent illustration of your point!

Mr. Pearson, your view of Christmas is, alas, far too simplistic and doesn’t take into account far more than it does. To begin with, there was no prophetic/revelatory/Torah, i.e. “biblical” basis for Purim either, but the Jewish population throughout Persia, Mordecai and Esther, were so profoundly moved and grateful for God’s great gracious and providential deliverance that “they decreed”–decided–to never forget what God did for them on that day. To this day, Purim continues to be celebrated!

A much healthier perspective that runs in this direction (and common sense), may be found at http://www.jimmcguiggan.com

Look for the article Christmas and Paganism. For such a short piece, it has a lot to teach “us” Christians who are forever shooting ourselves in the foot with reductionism. We would do well to follow in the attitudinal footsteps of the Jewish Faithful in the Book of Esther, chapter 9. Ultimately, the idea of Christmas is a page from that book, or so it seems to me.

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By: Jennifer https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4529 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:31:15 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4529 Ilana, this is a wonderful article! I’m saving it to my computer. Once again, wisdom and smarts triumph. Thank you so much!

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By: Ken Kelley https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4528 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:18:59 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4528 What election Hitler won? History records his accent to power without a vote by the people.
Ken Kelley

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By: robert https://barelyablog.com/oreilly-won-the-battle-%e2%80%93-but-lost-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4526 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:57:10 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=2864#comment-4526 Ilana,
Well,”there you go again” practicing Christian honesty and displaying long held Christian virtues such as courage better than most Christians. Of course I am partial to my favorite jewish journalist and understand that her Father taught her well. Of course courage does not abide in an exclusive christian environment as Ilana seems to prove day in and day out. But I do wish you could perform O’Reilly’s job for a while. You would be a good example to Christians on what it means to unite justice and mercy. Thanks Ilana.

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