But none of the above implies that citizens of Europe or the United States ought to be pressed into service, by taxes or other coercive measures, to wage military operations in defense of Israeli territory. (This is a statement with which Ilana might agree.)

More basically, there is no moral duty for anyone to fight to defend “Western Civilization” and the “Judeo-Christian heritage”, as interpreted by Geert Wilders or anyone else, because such is a “package deal”–an amalgam of good and bad. Although the rational insights and values of the West arose from a culture that was partly influenced by religion, those ideas were not essentially the product of religious thinking—Christian or Jewish. They were the product of reason.

Religion is inescapably antagonistic to reason, whatever the politics of pastor or rabbi, because the religious uphold faith as the only proper route to knowledge about ultimate issues. But this is an irrational worldview unworthy of defense. The worldview of reason sees the universe as a natural order, void of contradiction, understandable by man’s proper exercise of thinking and investigating.

An example of this “package deal” is the problem of the onslaught of Islamic immigration into Holland and the rest of Europe. Secular Post Moderns defend this immigration in the name of altruism and the larger social welfare—both false moral values of Christianity (and I am willing to bet, of Judaism). In a free society, dedicated to defending private property and private lives, the mass immigration of violent, disgruntled, mooching aliens would never happen.

The first is his statement that Afrikaners are not pro-Israel. This could not be further from the truth. Israel was one of South Africa’s few “friends” during the apartheid years. Further, and here I speak of my own view, and I believe it to be the view of 90% of the Afrikaners, as a Christian I have the highest regard for Israeli’s, for being God’s “chosen people”.

Perhaps an indicator of “old South Africa’s” stance on Israel is the fact that we learnt some of Israel’s history at school level, I recall learning about Golda Meir, Ben Gurion (forgive my spelling) and the Six Day War.

History of other countries did not nearly receive the same prominence. It is understandable that there may have been resentment, even hatred of certain Jews like Helen Suzman for her anti-Afrikaner views, but this was not a general resentment of all Israeli’s (or Jews). It was her views that were offensive, not the fact that she was Jewish.

Secondly, I do not care what cause you are fighting for (and I’m not implying that Hamas has a just cause), if you target civilians you are nothing more than a common terrorist. I have often heard people saying “one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter”. That is nothing but pc bs. The way you fight is one of the factors determining if you are a terrorist or not.

…Israel finally said (and did) so…

…”Get off my lawn…”

Szasz

I recently e-mailed you regarding the comments of Buchanan, Ron Paul and the Vatican on Israel and Muslim-Occupied Gaza.

Jews have to face the fact that Muslims (Arab and non-Arab alike; along with Jew-haters around the world) will never accept *Israel* as a fact in the ME. The sooner we Jews accept *that fact* the better off we will be, because we will finally be honest with ourselves as to who the enemy are.

I defy the “paleo-conservatives” to have the guts to come right out and state that their opposition to Israeli actions has nothing to do with “international law” but everything to do with visceral Jew-hatred that coarses through their veins and blood. Their real thought is “Israel delenda est.” That includes the above mentioned guilty parties. I have more respect for Hamas and Hizbullah because at least they state that they are out to kill *all* Jews. Not like Buchanan, Paul, and Co. who hide behind “anti-Zionism.”

To go into detail is to [sic] much work but,
1 Afrikaners are not pro-Israel [The National Party sure was. South Africa and Israel were as tight as thieves. Israel even honored Vorster, the architect of apartheid. He “laid the ground for a collaboration that transformed the Israel-South Africa axis into a leading weapons developer and a force in the international arms trade”.]
2.Palestinians of old were very learned people,mor [sic] so than the jews at that time
3.The Israelis have no right to be in Palestine. [Assertion, not argument]
4.Geert Wilders(I like him) is this time an opportunist seeking jewish votes in the Netherlands.
5.Hamas is not a terrorist group(only in the eyes of the West,they were duly elected.(Call them Freedom fighters with a purpose)
7. Would you call the ANC terrorists. [You bet I would—and do]
8. I can go on and on and on [Not on this forum you don’t.]

I think it’s possible that some paleos who would not consider themselves Jew-haters deplore Israel’s response to the current crisis because they place constraints (such as pre-1967 borders) on the territory they consider legitimate for Israel. Why not ask paleos to spell out exactly where they believe Israel’s territorial legitimacy lies? That way, you know (partially) the initial conditions from which some paleos draw their conclusions. However, I also believe that theology is relevant to the situation, and I note that those condemning Israel’s current actions vis-à-vis Gaza do not come from the evangelical Christian community, which has long held that Israel is not only a legitimate state, but has the God-given right to self-defense.

“Have you noticed how socialist the U.S. has become?”

“The Jews” are among many who have found a way to exploit a fatal security flaw in the U.S. Constitution that has resulted in the death of our Republic and the growth of the One World State.(For the record, I don’t blame the Zionists for taking advantage of our government, I blame our government).

This project (Imperialism) must fail, will fail. Since we are evidently unable to re-establish the Republic we can only pray for the destruction of the Empire by the barbarians. It’s unfortunate that Israel has chosen to be the tip of the spear while counting on the support of fat f_gs like Hagee and his ilk, traitors to their own God and Country, while reaffirming that might makes right and giving no quarter to those they conquer. Reap the whirlwind, or not, but don’t expect loyalty from slaves. If I were free to choose, I might support Israel, since I’m not, it’s just Tutsis v Hutus to me.

[This is a very powerful point, coming, as it does, from a Serbian writer–and witness.–IM]

Which means that we are in a target rich enviroment. When the collapse comes the streets will get ugly very quickly.

Targets in order of importance.
1. 7th Century Lunatic Religion
2. Communists/Socialists/Greenies
3. Politicians who support the first two groups.
4. Those who appease the first 3 groups.

None of these groups can be destroyed by conventional weapons…ideas do not bleed. We need to fight them tooth and nail every time someone defending those groups pops up. If we don’t fight them with words then one day all of us will be fighting them with bullets.

“Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her (America’s) heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.”

Hence Ilana and I oppose “foreign aid” to Israel and other similar “support”. Most countries “helped” by America (South Vietnam) typically wound up being reduced to pathetic puppet regimes.