Comments on: Update 3: State Had No Right To Seize FLDS Children! https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Fanusi Khiyal https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3173 Sat, 24 May 2008 07:13:37 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3173 THanks for the info. That puts a rather different perspective on the matter.

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By: EN https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3172 Sat, 24 May 2008 05:01:50 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3172 FK, this is from the judges decisions. It’s pretty clear that they were on a fishing expedition and the bait was the children. “Cooperate, meaning you testify as we’d like, or never see your children again.” Despicable!

“”The Department (CPS) did not present any evidence of danger to the physical health or safety of any male children or any female children who had not reached puberty,” the panel wrote in its order.”

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By: EN https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3171 Sat, 24 May 2008 01:31:07 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3171 “there’s good evidence that at least a few of those children were being sexually abused”

In fact, there’s no evidence of the kind. They’ve not been able to pin point any adult who did any such thing. They have taken away 460 (the numbers keep changing and the fact that they can’t count should be reason enough not to trust CPS judgment) children from their parents because 3 girls “MAY” have been molested??? I would suggest that the numbers would be far higher in any other demographic in America selected at random. This remains a travesty to the families and a crime by government. The government has every right to bring charges against the guilty but they seem to be missing one solid necessity when charging someone with crimes, that is evidence!

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By: Fanusi Khiyal https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3166 Fri, 23 May 2008 13:16:50 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3166 Hmmm – as I understand it, there’s good evidence that at least a few of those children were being sexually abused (and any sex with a child under the age of consent is abuse). I’m referring to the fourteen year old, amongst others. She wasn’t with child, but a fourteen year old bride?

In any case, given the revolting teachings of Islam on child-rape, I for one see a certain danger in turning a blind eye to religious lunacy of any stripe. Sam Harris wrote an excellent piece ‘Loosing our Spines to save our Necks’, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali concurred.

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By: Sage https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3165 Fri, 23 May 2008 12:32:25 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3165 Well, if they can demonstrate that any of the mothers in question were actually underage when they concieved, and that certainly appears to be the case, then the opportunity is there for them to present that as evidence. But they never bothered to actually establish those pesky “facts,” never bothered to marshal all that bothersome “evidence,” and so never had anything so passe as a “case.” Simply siezing them all summarily (and we now find out that one of those underage “mothers” isn’t even, technically, like, a mother) wasn’t just tyrannical, it was unnecessary. It also might do serious damage to the state’s ability to actually prosecute a real statutory rape case if one is called for, thus undermining the supposed purpose of the entire exercise.

What a horror.

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By: Gumdrops https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3163 Fri, 23 May 2008 04:17:52 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3163 If the State had proper evidence, their actions would have been appropriate. Sadly, it appears that they had zero evidence of abuse or imminent danger to anybody living in the cult. Therefore, a serious unjustice has been committed on the part of the State and somebody should be held accountable.

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By: Joseph Booth https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3159 Thu, 22 May 2008 23:27:42 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3159 Probably the only thing the FLDS is guilty of is bad taste in architecture.

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By: EN https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3157 Thu, 22 May 2008 22:01:29 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3157 I’m not big on the death penalty. However, it needs to be exercised whenever bureaucrats knowingly, or unknowingly, violate civil liberties. Perhaps armed paramilitary police units should be allowed to get off with a public flogging, but not much less. I would rather see a thousand murderers walking the streets then one government agency allowed to violate due process. The danger to freedom in this case warrants extreme punishment for the statists involved.

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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/state-had-no-right-to-seize-flds-children/comment-page-1/#comment-3156 Thu, 22 May 2008 20:54:03 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=639#comment-3156 Governments have no RIGHTS – only individuals do. But governments do have power and authority. I can see the Government sending someone over to check out an accusation – say that I am keeping a 90 foot gorilla in my garage -and acting further if there is more to it than just a crank call….

They could have EXAMINED the young kids for burns, welts, cuts…. – and then let the moms have the kids back. If there was more to it, they could have required the dads not visit girls ages 10 – 18 without supervision for a limited time to check out the validity of whatever charges.

Why does a government of a supposedly free people think it should shoot first and ask questions later??

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