Comments on: Update II: Taleban Storm Nato Outpost https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/ by ilana mercer Sat, 27 Apr 2024 00:21:40 +0000 hourly 1 By: M. B. Moon https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7417 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:41:51 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7417 But seriously Van,

When one is driven to extreme measures to have his way, should one not question the wisdom of his way?

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By: Hugo Schmidt https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7415 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:21:06 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7415

Is the suggestion that we should become like the Romans?

I can think of considerably worse things..

Or the US could get out of Afghanistan, Iraq and so on and hope, pray, rub rabbits feet – whatever’s your bag, really – that that display of weakness won’t get the bombs raining in by the gross.

And some of those bombs will be nuclear.

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By: Van Wijk https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7412 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:39:42 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7412 Mr. Moon,

Tacitus was actually quoting a Caledonian chieftain called Calgacus in Agricola.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgacus

And at least the Romans didn’t worship foreigners. Insofar as they put Rome first, we should strive to be more like them.

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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7411 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:34:37 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7411 Cullather’s report is so juicy:

>>> ….Development, economists … assured the CIA in 1954, could create “an environment in which societies which directly or indirectly menace ours will not evolve.” … To replace the need for winter pastures, the United Nations brought in SWISS EXPERTS to teach nomads to use long handled scythes to cut forage for sheep from high plateaus…. it proved difficult to entice Ghilzai Pashtun to become ordinary farmers…. The burden of American loans for the project, and the absence of tangible returns was creating … a dangerous strain on the both the Afghan economy and the nation’s morale”… mosques and houses were crumbling into the growing bog. … A 1965 study revealed that crop yields per acre had actually dropped since the dams were built… For reasons of prestige alone the United States kept pouring money in, even though by 1965 it was clear the project was failing… farmers “met the bulldozers with rifles,”… Wheat yields were among the lowest in the world… farm incomes in the valley were below average for Afghanistan and declining….. The Taliban movement began here, and the valley provided one of its chief sources of revenue. The opium poppy grows well in dry climates and alkaline and saline soils…. The disastrous effects of dam-building were visible in 1949 and only became more obvious as the project grew…. <<<

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By: M. B. Moon https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7408 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:32:27 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7408 “Rubble doesn’t cause trouble” via Hugo

“They (the Romans) make a desert, and they call it peace.” Publius Cornelius Tacitus

Is the suggestion that we should become like the Romans?

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By: Hugo Schmidt https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7407 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:20:01 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7407 Van Wijk, the apposite phrase comes from John Derbyshire “Rubble doesn’t cause trouble”. Yaron Brook had a good discussion of this on PJTV a while back.

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7406 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:00:53 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7406 Today: The president has no plans to leave Afghanistan. “http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091005/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_afghanistan” so says Yahoo news. And the madness continues.

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By: Steve Hogan https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7405 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:01:43 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7405 I’m with Van Wijk: cease this absurd attempt to refashion the entire world in our image. It’s a fool’s errand, and we’ve (I’m using the royal “we” here) demonstrated many times over the last hundred years that we are bumbling idiots when we try it.

Bring the troops home. Mind our own business. Get our own house in order. Lead by example. Not only would it make for a more peaceful existence, we might even avoid turning our country into a bankrupt banana republic.

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By: EN https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7404 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:46:08 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7404 It’s all about “Quom” (family, village, tribe, profession) in Afghanistan. There’s simply no way we fit into any Quom that matters. We’re complete outsiders in a country that only respects insiders. The Taliban is all about Pashtun tribalism. No matter what a Pashtun tells you in the end he’s going to fall in with his Quom. Get out and let the place rot.

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By: robert https://barelyablog.com/taleban-storm-nato-outpost/comment-page-1/#comment-7403 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:27:38 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15032#comment-7403 “When Americans think of a General, what usually springs to mind is George Patton, Hannibal, or Alexander. But the modern “General” is really little more than a politician in fatigues.”

Kagan wrote a book about this very fact entitled,’The Mask of Command’. He likened the ideal modern leader to a cool, calculating, computer, geek. (somebody very similar in demeanor and thinking to a neo-con mouthpiece) The Afghanis have other more ancient and demanding notions of leadership and so far thay have been more effective in leading resistance in their countries than the neo-cons have been in leading ours.

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