Comments on: The 'Democratization Of Credit': Is It Over? https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: M. B. Moon https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15151 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:09:59 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15151 [Most certainly DO!]
[Come again?]

fractional reserve banking in a nutshell:

1. Banks create credit (temporary money) out of thin-air by lending it out in exchange for IOUs as collateral and for interest. This is inflation. The purchasing power comes from all dollar holders including the poor. This is theft by inflation for the sake of banks and borrowers and the government. Here is where the boom part of the boom/bust cycle originates.

2. As loans are repaid, the credit (temporary money) goes back to thin-air except for the interest paid to the banker (BTW, where does the interest come from?) This is deflation which forces prices to drop for businesses. This is the bust part of the boom/bust cycle. Does it repay those whose purchasing power was stolen during the boom phase? Perhaps. Perhaps not! But in the very best case, it is an involuntary “loan” of purchasing power. But also it threatens their jobs via falling prices.

Fractional reserve banking has lasted a long time partly because it spreads the corruption widely.

Hence, don’t be so proud of your high credit scores. You have been suckered into theft by a corrupt banking system. [Not living on credit does not a thief make. G-d knows where you get this from.]

The poor are tossed a few crumbs in compensation via socialism and some people complain.

Let’s abolish the government backed banking cartel and the number of poor would soon be minimized. [Agreed, but this is not an argument for personal debt or irresponsible conduct.]

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By: George Pal https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15150 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:39:41 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15150 Oh, I’d completely forgotten re the democratization of credit this:

“Community Reinvestment Modernization Act of 2009.”

There’s no end to the stupidity/perfidy – or the credit/debt.

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By: George Pal https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15149 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:51:31 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15149 “IN ANY CASE, do you agree that the democratization of credit is on the wane? I find that a dubious statement.”

Dubious, and gullible.

A Congress without the compunction to investigate its own members’ unethical and criminal behavior (see Charles Rangel, Nancy Pelosi & husband, et al – well, perhaps the “et al” explains it all) will not hesitate to buy themselves more seat time in the halls of power by distributing ever more credit – but first, debt relief.

Barney Frank’s “cramdown” legislation is not likely to go anywhere or garner any White House support for being too transparent. The president has shown himself to be fonder of obfuscation in the pursuit of the obvious.

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By: Vic Jones https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15147 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:43:05 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15147 I believe Jamie is on target. With the CRA combined with Fannie and Freddy, I’m not sure how much more “democratic” lending can become. Talk about First Principles, where did we get the notion that lending should be democratic? Barney Frank is still harping about “relaxing” lending standards. Do we have any standards at this point? Let’s not mention the debate about whether or not people are actually “helped” through obtaining loans for which they really do not qualify. That’s another good discussion to have on the basis of First Principles.

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By: M. B. Moon https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15146 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:03:14 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15146 “Credit” under our current government backed fractional reserve banking system is THEFT of purchasing power.

Don’t be so proud of your high “credit” scores then. [Most certainly DO!]

Ilana, is this too controversial a point or do you disagree? Rothbard’s The Mystery of Banking makes this clear,IMO.

Meanwhile, feel smug toward the victims who have been tossed a few socialist crumbs to corrupt them. [Come again?]

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By: Roger Chaillet https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15141 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:07:39 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15141 Implicit in the article is that credit, or at least “cheap” credit, is yet another right conferred by the government. “Professor” Mann seems puzzled by this and perhaps even upset.

Too bad he never worked in sub-prime mortgages as I did. Many of the applicants I dealt with were “victims.” That is, they had poor credit scores primarily because they refused to pay their debts! Or they had poor self-control. They would go out and buy a boat/car/ATV on credit soon after being qualified for a home mortgage. What they didn’t realize was that lenders pull a second credit report immediately before closing. They do this to confirm nothing has changed in regards to a borrower’s ability to pay. Sometimes the changes would be positive. For example, a borrower could off old debts or have a lien released. But many times the changes on the credit report were negative.

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15139 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:39:53 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15139 “caused banks to twist like pretzels in order to find legal ways around eliminating risky borrowers.” We get a call every couple of weeks from our bank asking us if we want to borrow some money. We’ve been customers for thirty years and once in a while borrow a few dollars to keep up our credit rating in case of an emergency. By contacting us a possible good risk, they can show the government auditors that they are trying to give it away but not getting any takers, thereby ignoring the high risk borrower.

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By: JP Strauss https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15138 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:16:55 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15138 What we see in South Africa is that banks will not shut you out, but rather slap you with a ~30% interest rate on credit. The best deal you can get is from Virgin Money that charges you a “mere” 19%. This does go a long way in subsidizing risk, but it’s damned expensive for us normal folk.

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By: Jamie https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15137 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:21:30 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15137 With the government essentially underwriting 100% of all mortgages and keeping alive several of our largest financial institutions as “zombie banks”, I would take issue with the cited article.

When you combine ownership of the lenders with the power of the printing press Washington can simply order the banks to lend money to whomever they please. I expect Washington will order the commencement of one final blast of lending next year (along with a big surge in government hiring) to try and improve the economy ahead of the ’10 elections.

This of course will deepen the already considerable difficulties the nation faces, but allows the day of reckoning to be pushed back a bit further. The endgame approaches, and it’s not going to be pretty.

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By: Roy Bleckert https://barelyablog.com/the-democratization-of-credit-is-it-over-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15135 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:58:46 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=15363#comment-15135 Don writes

“After all, those who can barely pay are the most profitable customers. ”

I will bet any Loan Shark will agree LOL

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