Comments on: Update 2: The Ethnic Particularism Of Barack Obama https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dan Maguire https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2655 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:19:10 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2655 Ilana, you’ve written in the past about the advantages of manners/deference/civility. Anonyomous discussion forums are definitely not the place to find them. Personal insults and deliberate misrepresentation are the norms there, not the exceptions.

I don’t have anything to add to the larger discussion, so I’ll just shut up.

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By: Brad https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2654 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:02:19 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2654 I’m surprised that the media even dared to cover Wright’s comments. I didn’t hear anything about 2 of the ‘Jena 6’ being applauded at the BET awards for ganging up on one white kid.
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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2653 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:53:31 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2653 1. I have NO particular problem if sshaun, Rev. Wright, and Barack Obama remember history, preferably correctly. Presumably, Ilana and I and others have heard a 3000 year long list of grudges against the Egyptians, Amelekites, Assyrians, Babylonians, up through the Inquisition, Pogroms, Holocaust, and Kassam rocket attacks.

2. But while history cannot be erased and might teach us lessons, it does not solve present and future problems. There is not an excuse for (some) blacks to not study in school because some grandfather went to a shabby segregated school. There is not an excuse for (some) blacks to have disfunctional “families” because 300 years ago, an ancestor was chained in the hull of a slave ship.

3. I am not as upset over there being some historical grudges in the South Side of Chicago as I am upset that much of the South Side of Chicago resembles a drug ridden Gaza strip of crime and ignorance in schools that spend $10,000 + / per pupil. Oh, what the hell, my grandfather was tortured by the Nazis so I guess I should hold up a liquor store. { My kid was abandoned by her parents in China so why should I tell her to study? }

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By: John Danforth https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2652 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:41:26 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2652 I’m not inclined to join that site. It wasn’t worth the effort, even though it might have been gratifying to get banned. It wouldn’t let me post my name without joining first, so my post went up anonymously.

I wonder if anyone will catch on to the allegory. Attributed variously to Mark Twain and others, the operative phrase is, “Never try to teach a pig to sing — it wastes your time and annoys the pig”.

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By: Wladimir Kraus https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2651 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:46:15 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2651 Ilana,

Thumbs up to your superb article!

As to comments from the other sid(t)e, the “new” leftists of the scholastic-hair-splitting type like to portray themselves as “open-minded” and “complex” thinkers who are willing to allow for additional variables to explain this or that fact; in short, to “debate” the issues be it race, colonialism, inequality, or what not.

However, when it comes down to the crucial task to test their theories and offer solutions to combat poverty, crime, and the widespread sense of despair and hopelessness, all their “complex thinking” boils down to naive hope that the middle-of-the road kind of collective efforts involving affirmative action, welfare payments, universal health care etc. will SOMEHOW effectuate the transformation of the minds and deeply disturbed social culture of the affected group to become responsible parents, to recognize the virtues of non-violent social interaction, of education, independence, individualism, productiveness.

It’s significant that intellectually, that is, in their search for the root cause the “complex” thinkers fail too. The powerful institutional barriers of slavery and Jim Crow era haven’t been operative for many decades now. To keep referring to them as still exerting decisive influence, first, goes against the evidence and, second, diverts the attention from the real root cause. And here the real need for debating is very much in place. We all need to know, particularly the disadvantaged groups, what works and what does not if the goal is peace, freedom, prosperity, happiness.

The “new left” by virtue of its limited intellectual edifice will always represent a disturbing force but it can be overcome because the reality is on our side.

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By: Joe Allen https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2649 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:37:12 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2649 Obama is stuck in an almost impossible trap of either alienating his base or marginalizing himself. He wriggled out of the trap brilliantly, IMO. Barack knows better than we do “the shocking ignorance” and prejudice of the black community. The next four years will be a disaster, no matter which of the three stooges wins the general election. Why not let the dems take the heat? At least comrade Barack isn’t a neocon.

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By: Patrick https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2646 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:29:49 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2646 I wouldn’t give Obama credit for anything. And Jewcy is a Leftist pseudo-Jewish website. The Pope is more Jewish than the people behind that website. But I give you credit for posting on that lousy leftist site.

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By: Martin Berrow https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2648 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:35:09 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2648 Did Barak Obama’s speech yesterday stop the bleeding from the racist remarks of Jeremiah Wright? The answer is a resounding NO! Instead, Obama got a very public and visible endorsement from Malik Zulu Shabazz. He is the leader of the “New Black Panther Party”. This man is a very militant dude who shares Jeremiah Wright’s views as well as Louis Farrahkan’s. I am not aware that Obama has “denounced” Shabazz’s endorsement. Likely we won’t see that either. ILana made a good point I think, in when she said the contrast between slavery and the Holocaust is huge. Slaves got to live and essentially live a pretty good life… Jews in the Holocaust were tortured and gased. Yet, We don’t hear this continually oppressive whining about the Holocaust like we do from alot of the black community about slavery. Enough is enough…
Martin Berrow

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By: Jamie https://barelyablog.com/the-ethnic-particularism-of-barak-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2647 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:59:34 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=559#comment-2647 Glad you are mixing it up over there Ilana. So many of your co-religionists are incredibly misguided. Show them the light, will ya?

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