Comments on: UPDATED: The Founders Reduced https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mike Marks https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13140 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:49:59 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13140 BTW welcome back and thanks for posting the pictures. 🙂

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By: Mike Marks https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13139 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:49:14 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13139 As I recall the founders were divided about slavery as well. These same flawed white men formed the constitution that could modified at some future time to deal with slavery.

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13136 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:53:53 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13136 Since history of the founding fathers and their contribution to Slavery is the theme, we might consider the founder of slavery in America. Mr. Anthony Johnson, (Black) who in 1653, went to court in Northampton County, Virginia and sued his white neighbor, Mr. Parker to give him back his black slave John Castor. Castor had left Johnson’s service and went to work as an employee of a white farmer, named Parker. Castor had told Parker that he had completed his term of indenture with Johnson and was a free man; Johnson took Parker to court stating that he owned Castor, and won. If he had lost, slavery would not have started in this country. Blacks owe the start of slavery to one of their own. Ref: The Politically Incorrect Guide to the South, Clint Johnson (no relation to the subject) page 81-84. Mr. Johnson references his sources in the Bibliography. Books I don’t personally have access to.

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By: David Smith https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13135 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:18:59 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13135 If I drag truly extraordinary men down, I think I can feel better about myself, I guess. I got it, the founders were flawed, sinful men like me and you. So what else is new? It is ever the problem of viewing the past strictly through the lens of our own place in history, as if we ourselves are somehow above or outside of the times in which we live, so base, vulgar, corrupt . . . and mediocre.

True humility is beyond our ken.

The ordered system of liberty the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, et al. sought to create and became stewards of was, however flawed, truly amazing. I’d like to see the so-called elites and chattering class of today come up with anything better. Then again, no I don’t. The utopia they’re attempting to force on us now will end as a nightmare.

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By: james huggins https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13134 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:52:45 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13134 Well and darned well said. I live in this modern day revisionist world, mostly at work. When actual history and/or logic is inserted in the conversation I am looked at like I have two heads. Long ago I ceased trying to make sense to people. A classic case of casting pearls to the swine. Mercer is one of the few logical, educated people in public life who verbalize such thoughts.

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By: Van Wijk https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13132 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:29:20 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13132 Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.

Jefferson might view our current predicament with a knowing smirk.

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By: Van Wijk https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13131 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:20:21 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13131 Beautiful pictures. Welcome back. 🙂

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By: Myron Pauli https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13130 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 05:38:46 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13130 Mentioning the warts of the founders would be fine if one does not overlook their achievements. For example – how blacks won freedoms eventually [that their distant cousins in Africa do not enjoy] – BECAUSE of things put into being by Jefferson, Madison, and Washington. Or how the level of prosperity of blacks in America compared to blacks in Africa is derivative of the intellectual achievements of and the free-market philosophy of white Europeans that lifted America from a wilderness in 1610 to a prosperous land of 2010.

Of course, those who are against massive low-level immigration may also draw lessons from a different parallel with slavery. Slavery was a cheap source of low-level coolie labor [cheaper and more “controllable”] than indentured servants or paid laborers. Nowadays, many employers prefer obedient illegal aliens to paying higher market wages for native-born Americans. That the imported slaves and their descendents were/are often culturally incompatible with WASPish America is unspoken.

Naturally, it is more convenient to tear down the 18th Century slaveowning aristocrats than to compare and contrast them with the partisan self-serving “contribution-soliciting” professional hacks. In our modern civilized era, Ted Kennedy and Larry Craig can take pride with not owning slaves!

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By: Sy Snootles https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13129 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 04:40:19 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13129 The black father would’ve been wise to make comparisons from antebellum slavery to some modern practices. The first is family court judges placing children in their mother’s custody in the event of divorce (the majority initiated by wives), and forcing fathers to subsidize the destruction of their families via child support payments.

He should also bring up the generous welfare benefits that make marriage to Uncle Sam more attractive to inner-city women than marriage to a husband – one who will demand sexual regulation. And affirmative action programs that economically elevate black women over black men.

All of these factors have devasted black communities and black men in particular. Yet the traditional civil rights crowd has more indignation over anti-Obama signs at Tea Party rallies than the above issues.

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By: Roger Chaillet https://barelyablog.com/the-founders-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-13127 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:41:37 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30539#comment-13127 What a crock.

Nothing is bought until it is sold. Or stolen.

And that includes slaves.

Who, of course, were sold into slavery by members of their own tribe.

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