Comments on: Updated: The Gormless Judge Goldstone

By: M. B. Moon

M. B. Moon — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:00:07 +0000

Israel does seem to be in tough position.

I recommend the US allow Israel to defend itself. After all, isn’t it a little shameful that Southern Baptists are called upon to defend a nation that has no time for the God they worship (well, at least traditionally; now it seems a lot of them worship Mars, the god of war)?

Really, I am serious. Let Israel realize its traditional dependence on the Lord. He put them in a perilous position for that reason, IMO.

By: noainc

noainc — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:26:56 +0000

Israel has shown far too much restraint in dealing with Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and the PLO before these terrorist groups.
Israel has the right to defend itself and the idea they must tolerate random acts of human homicide bombers and rocket attacks against their people is not defensible.
Acts of violence against Israeli military targets are a declaration of war and must not be tolerated either.
These groups are known for their cowardice and are not able to take on the Israeli military, even with the backing of the surrounding Arab militaries.
The terrorists in the Gaza strip, West Bank and Lebanon have a history of killing civilians and using civilians as human shields. They manipulate a willing media to give them a moral equivalence with the Israeli military and this should not be accepted, but rejected.
The media aided Mugabe’s terrorists in Rhodesia, Nujoma’s SWAPO thugs in South West Africa and the ANC terrorists in South Africa. Now look what has happened to the majority of people in those countries.
Now this Goldstone runs a Kangaroo Court inquiry.

By: robert

robert — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:16:39 +0000

Who does the West want to deal with in terms of Palestine and the Holy Land? Go it alone or Israel? There is no third option. All this blubbering about peace is permitted only from this side of the equation… an ocean away. We should not expect unconditional surrender from Israel to our every wish concerning strategy and neither should Israel expect Americans to bow to their every demand. Sometimes friends disagree in matters of life and death, which is a simple fact that some American paleos and certain neo-cons and American Likudniks don’t seem to understand very well –to the detriment of all.

By: Myron Pauli

Myron Pauli — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:04:30 +0000

Has ANY OTHER COUNTRY ever been attacked and subsequently cited for the use of excessive force?

The issue, of course, is not whether the Israeli military made mistakes – in most wars, you hope you hit more of the enemy then your own men or civilians – but whether ANY OTHER NATION ever got cited for nonsense like this egg factory garbage…. – or are Jews considered so perfect that any mis-targeting is a deliberate war crime??

By: haym

haym — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:41:03 +0000

Goldstone is one of a breed of Jews that feels itself morally elevated when condemning their own. There are Israelis making speeches around the world accusing Israel of being racist and genocidal, and therefore encouraging economic divestment. The Israeli paper Haaretz is similarly culpable. A free society pays a heavy price for such outbursts. Israel pays an especially heavy price because it is not just another nation. It is THE nation that has been in a war of self-defense for its whole life of 61 years, THE nation Iran promises Armageddon, THE nation most condemned by the UN, etc. And so when Goldstone issues his decision that both sides have committed war crimes, then he shows biases. The problem is that few really care, and the enemies of Israel and of Jews are happy to make use of this libel in support of their political aim - the de-legitimization of Israel, with the hope of destroying it one day.

By: H Engelbrecht

H Engelbrecht — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:48:10 +0000

“The only flour factory was – was effectively destroyed. They destroyed most of the egg production. They – they killed tens of thousands of chickens”

So, would he have preferred Israel to launch rockets randomly into Gaza? You know, just to keep it proportional.

“In fact, if anything, it was my personal impression that it’s had the opposite effect”

So does this “failure” now make Israel’s actions a warcrime?

“…feel that because I’m Jewish I shouldn’t investigate Israel”

Exactly, being Jewish probably made him oversensitive to Israeli “atrocities”, for fear of being accused of bias towards Israel.

Lastly, one should be slow to find blame in the “relative calm” after a war, when the decision making had to take place “in the heat of the moment”

(Hope you understand what I’m trying to say, English not being my first language I sometimes struggle to express my thoughts properly)

[You’re doing fine.]

By: Myron Pauli

Myron Pauli — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:39:18 +0000

Oops, the greater than (“exceeds”) sign did not copy and show up in the above post first line.

By: Myron Pauli

Myron Pauli — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:37:24 +0000

A physics problem of sort – if side A attacks side B, B can use force F to defend itself. If F(B) F(A), then B prevails. However, F(B) – F(A) is declared to be “excessive” if the margin exceeds some “epsilon” – some Goldstone-allowable fine-tuned microscopic difference. Of course, if the Palestinians actually prevailed, the almost certain result is the annihilation of Israel based on the track record of Moslem militants – yet when Israel prevails, the Palestinian population quintuples in a 60 year span.

The side that started this by constantly shelling Israel bears no additional burden for starting the conflict! – rather this nonsense must be handled like some retarded boxing match??

Of course, the UN ITSELF was founded by nations that firebombed Dresden and Tokyo, raped half the women of Eastern Europe, enslaved most of Eastern Europe, and wiped out millions of German civilians in 1944-1946. I suppose, however, that that was NOT excessive force?? Perhaps in 1945, the Allies should have given Germany a “fighting chance”??

Bonus Questions: (1) What “Yugoslav genocide”? (2) Is anyone going to ask whether NATO used “excessive force” against Serbia in 1998?