Comments on: The Venerated Vote Discounted https://barelyablog.com/the-venerated-vote-discounted/ by ilana mercer Wed, 02 Apr 2025 19:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mike Marks https://barelyablog.com/the-venerated-vote-discounted/comment-page-1/#comment-13179 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:16:54 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30697#comment-13179 From a purely mathematical perspective the power of a single vote could be defined as the ratio of a single vote to the total number of votes cast or 1/total votes cast. Clearly as the total number of votes cast increases the power of the single vote beomces diminished significantly.

However, in elections where the electorate is divided 50-50 for each candidate the practical power of the vote becomes 1/(differnce of votes between candidate A and B) which gives the voter a higher power rating, if you will. As an example the power of the single voter became much more important in the recent win by Al Franken in Minnesota where he won by a little more than 300 votes.

Now having said all of that the fact remains that whether you vote for candidate A or B, or don’t vote at all you are still stuck with the winner’s representation whether you agree or disagree with how your representative votes in the House of Representatives, Senate, or at a local level.

This will always be a problem at some level in a representative based government. The founders had a much tighter set of requirements for who could vote and for what office. Voting was initially limited to those who had a stake in the outcome. If I remember correctly you had to be a white male landowner to vote (I don’t remember the limitations on age). So in a very real sense the founders not only provided a means to success in terms of limited government and capitalism. Becoming a land owner gave the individual the right to play a more active role in what was then a more limited electorial and governmental process. Those who had a real stake in system had voting rights not those of us who would just vote to increase the benefits paid to us by Federal largese.

As a side note in 1993 I made a business trip to Italy. We stayed in Ostia on the Mediterranean Sea. It was pretty obvious that land was not available to the vast majority of the Italian people. I came back to the States with a whole new appreciation for the founders’ respect for private property rights.

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By: Robert Glisson https://barelyablog.com/the-venerated-vote-discounted/comment-page-1/#comment-13174 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:18:34 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30697#comment-13174 A few years ago, well thirty or so, just something like twenty-five or thirty percent of the registered voters voted in an election, during Carter’s term, I think. The news went nuts- Voter Apathy! The fact that no one liked the choices we had was inconsequential, it was all our fault for not voting. So the country went on a voting binge. Not to get good quality people to run but to get more voters. Voter registration, when you renew your drivers license was one. You still have voter apathy but the number of voters improve. Churchill is reported to have said “Americans will always do the right thing, after they have tried everything else.” We’re still working on it. We’ll get to qualified candidates eventually.

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By: CompassionateFascist https://barelyablog.com/the-venerated-vote-discounted/comment-page-1/#comment-13173 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:37:25 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30697#comment-13173 Cannot agree, since I see myself as part of an organic nation, albeit one under assault by demicans/republicrats and globalist wirepullers. So when I go out today and vote against this or that evil (plenty of this available), for this or that good (if any), I express and purify my own morality. I’m not under any illusion that it will Change the System. That, after the coming economic collapse, will be accomplished by other means.

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By: My RON PAUL i https://barelyablog.com/the-venerated-vote-discounted/comment-page-1/#comment-13170 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 04:09:42 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30697#comment-13170 Snooty Frank Rich forecasted the eventual “betrayal” of the mish-mash Tea Party by the Corporate Statist Republicans:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html

And a Lew Rockwell article skeptical of Tea Party people who have objected to Obama acting as Bushx2 (double the bailouts, double the Afghan war, double the TARP).

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/stevo8.1.1.html

Laurence Vance on a real “libertarian/constitutional” “Pledge to America”:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance213.html

Alternatively, we have James Huggins: “But, we need to do all we can to fight the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is all we’ve got…. I would be certainly interested to hear what some of these folks consider to be solutions.”

My response: (1) Suppose McCain had beaten Obama in 2008 – so he would have continued the TARP and AutoBailouts that he supported and doubled the troops in Afghanistan (2) He probably would have also passed some sort of Romney-Huckabee-Care instead of Obamacare. So what is the solution? We replaced Constitutional (limited) government with Democracy (unlimited) in the 1930’s with popular support for massive federal government intervention in the economy, business, world affairs, and individual health/retirement/education.

ONLY when a majority turns from that interventionist philosophy will there ever be any “SOLUTION” beyond biennial “crook rotation” in Washington DC.

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By: Steve Hogan https://barelyablog.com/the-venerated-vote-discounted/comment-page-1/#comment-13166 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 01:58:50 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30697#comment-13166 The entire election circus is a racket. Both parties are playing the rubes for the fools that they are.

My position is simple: vote by absentee ballot to avoid wasting time going to the polls. Vote no on all spending and regulatory measures. Anything that reduces personal freedom gets a thumbs-down.

As for candidates, unless the name is Ron Paul, be prepared to be disappointed. I leave it blank or vote libertarian in protest.

My conscience dictates that I refuse to participate in the looting and killing machine.

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By: Derek https://barelyablog.com/the-venerated-vote-discounted/comment-page-1/#comment-13164 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:46:50 +0000 http://barelyablog.com/?p=30697#comment-13164 “As electorates increase in size, the probability that one’s vote will swing the election approaches zero”

We have 435 members in the House of Representatives. In 1970 the USA had about 200 million people. This put the size of a congressional district at 460 thousand. In 2000, the USA had 300 million people. This increased the size of a congressional district to 690 thousand. In 2050 the USA is supposed to have a population of 450 million. This would increase the size of a congressional district to over 1 million.

Since almost all of this growth is attributed to immigration, we have yet another side effect of open borders, the watering down of the vote.

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