The supremely smug Richard Goldstone began his career by helping to demote a lesser evil (the National Party) and promote the quintessential evil (Mandela’s African National Congress). “We now have, I’m proud to say, a working, wonderful democracy in South Africa,” boasted the venerated singularly charmless gentleman to CNN’s Fareed Zakaria.
The South African justice, who presided over “the United Nations International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and for Rwanda from 15 August 1994 to September 1996,” continues his celebrity career with a report about Israel’s alleged war crimes in Gaza. “The report,” writes Ha’aretz, “which accuses both Israel and Hamas of war crimes, was formally presented to the United Nations Human Rights Council on Tuesday.”
I suggest Goldstone might want to look in his own plate before he goes passing judgment on (an admittedly imperfect) Israel. Since he helped usher in this “wonderful democracy,” upward of 300,000 innocents have been murdered. The New savage South Africa is now the most violent country in the world.
Here is the CNN interview the singularity boring Zakaria conducted with the singularly smug justice:
ZAKARIA: South African Justice Richard Goldstone made his name with legal cases of world importance but also of great delicacy and sensitivity. First in his home country of South Africa, pursuing an end to the political violence that came with apartheid, then on to the international stage as Chief Prosecutor of the UN Tribunals for War Crimes in Yugoslavia and Rwanda.
But his latest job is more controversial. In April, the UN Human Rights Council appointed Goldstone to head a mission to investigate allegations of human rights violations in the 22-day conflict between Israel and Gaza that began last December. From the start, some on both sides questioned whether a fair inquiry could be made, and in the end Israel, which took much of the blame in the final, almost 600-page report, though not exclusive blame, has reacted angrily.
Listen to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu addressing the UN General Assembly last week.
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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL: A democracy legitimately defending itself against terror is morally hanged, drawn and quartered and given an unfair trial to boot. By these twisted standards, the UN Human Rights Council would have dragged Roosevelt and Churchill to the dock as war criminals.
What a perfect version of truth. What a perversion of justice.
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ZAKARIA: Netanyahu said that the report threatens to derail the peace process. Now listen to my conversation with the man at the center of this storm, Justice Goldstone.
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ZAKARIA: Judge Goldstone, thank you for doing this.
JUDGE RICHARD GOLDSTONE, HEAD OF UN GAZA INVESTIGATION: It’s a pleasure.
ZAKARIA: The Prime Minister of Israel, as you know, denounced your report effectively on the floor of the United Nations General Assembly, and his basic argument is that the report is morally obtuse because it does not just distinguish between a democratic state that is being threatened by this hail of rockets and a terrorist organization, in his words, that is trying to inflict disproportionate and random violence on civilians.
GOLDSTONE: I think – I think, with respect, Prime Minister Netanyahu, misunderstands the basis on which we investigated. We – we didn’t question the right of Israel to defend itself or to defend its citizens. It clearly has that right. What we looked was the methods used in doing that. So we didn’t – we didn’t question Israel’s right of self-defense. We, in effect, in a way, took it as a given. It was, as I say, the – the – whether it was a proportionate response or a disproportionate response that we looked at.
And the other way, too, we – we didn’t look at whether Hamas is entitled to use military force to – to gain independence for the Palestinian people. We – we looked at what – what methods Hamas used, and we found those to be unlawful.
ZAKARIA: The Israelis claim that Hamas put themselves in hospitals, forced the Israelis to attack – to strike there, and that would produce an international public outrage. What did you find?
GOLDSTONE: Well, we didn’t exclude all of those allegations. We couldn’t. We – we had a short-time line (ph), we had a very, very scarce resources. We investigated specific incidents and we didn’t find, in respect of those incidents, that the Israeli claims had – had been – been justified. But certainly we can’t exclude it across the board.
ZAKARIA: You spoke of the Israeli behavior during Gaza as being part of a pattern that you described as, the Israeli term, ‘dahia’ (ph). What does that mean?
GOLDSTONE: Well, the – the – the attitude of Israel and the policy of Israel, especially since the Hamas victory a few years ago, has been really to turn the screws on – on Gaza. We felt that one of the purposes was to make life so difficult for the people of Gaza that they would turn their back on Hamas and it would lose support. In fact, if anything, it was my personal impression that it’s had the opposite effect.
ZAKARIA: What was the infrastructure damage like? Describe so that people can get a sense of what – what you regard as excessive.
GOLDSTONE: Well, the – the infrastructure damage, first of all, that had no military justification at all, was the bulldozing of agricultural fields. Huge tracks of land were just bulldozed by – by tank bulldozers. The only operating flour factory in Gaza. Obviously, flour is terribly important to feed – for making bread, a staple part of their diet. The only flour factory was – was effectively destroyed. They destroyed most of the egg production. They – they killed tens of thousands of chickens. You know, and this has got nothing to do with firing of rockets and mortars. It was the destruction of infrastructure — of part of the infrastructure of Gaza.
ZAKARIA: How will you describe Hamas’ responsibility here? You dealt with that in the report as well. Would you describe Hamas as guilty of war crimes?
GOLDSTONE: Oh yes, absolutely, of serious war crimes, which do amount crimes against humanity, and that’s the firing of thousands of rockets that have no precision at all into civilian areas. That’s a very serious crime.
But we also criticized its use of civilians and not protecting civilians sufficiently in its launching of rockets. And they put civilians in harm’s way.
ZAKARIA: And you found that both Israel and Hamas in a sense did not take enough precaution about the potential for civilian casualties?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely.
ZAKARIA: Judge Goldstone, you’re Jewish.
GOLDSTONE: Right.
ZAKARIA: How do you react when you hear Israelis accusing you of anti-Israeli bias, anti-Zionism, some have used the phrase “self- hating Jew”?
GOLDSTONE: First, there’s obviously no truth in it. I’ve got a great love for Israel. It’s a country that, as I said, I’ve been to many times, and I’ve worked for many Israeli causes and continue to do so. So it’s factually incorrect.
But what saddens me is the fact that Jews, whether in Israel or outside Israel, feel that because I’m Jewish I shouldn’t investigate Israel.
If anything, I think I have a greater obligation to do that. If I’ve investigated war crimes in other countries, why should Israel be different? And it seems to me that that should be welcomed and recognized.
ZAKARIA: When you look at these crimes against humanity, these war crimes, how do they compare? You have a long career. You’ve seen many of these kinds of things, investigated some. Where does this stand? How should we think of it?
GOLDSTONE: Well, you know, I don’t like making comparisons because each situation is so different. But certainly one can compare what has happened here to situations that I’ve investigated in the former Yugoslavian genocide. One doesn’t here in respect of Gaza get anywhere in my view anywhere near that sort of situation.
It’s very different. Many people are comparing what’s happening in the occupied territories to apartheid South Africa. I don’t like that comparison. There’s some similarities, but there are more differences.
ZAKARIA: Do you see this as the end of the report and your role?
GOLDSTONE: Absolutely. It’s now in the political arena. I hope that we have provided a road map for both sides to investigate themselves and to come to their own conclusions, their own investigations, and where relevant their own prosecutions.
ZAKARIA: Spending time dealing with this, do you have any thoughts or insights into the Israeli-Palestinian divide? Do you think there will be peace? How do you look at this?
GOLDSTONE: No South African can be pessimistic about the prospects of for peace. We had an impossible situation and a certainty that we were going to have bloodbath, and because we had good leadership it was averted, and we now have, I’m proud to say, a working, wonderful democracy in South Africa. We’ve got problems but we’re moving in a good direction.
ZAKARIA: You will be back in Israel anytime soon?
GOLDSTONE: No plans at the moment, but I certainly expect to. I don’t have close family, but I have many, many friends there. I’d love to see them.
ZAKARIA: Judge Goldstone, thank you for doing this.
GOLDSTONE: Thank you very much.
Update (Oct. 7): My father, who was steeped in the anti-apartheid movement and ostracized for his convictions, informs me that Goldstone had no such history of protest. The judge attached himself to this fashionable cause once it became safe and politically prudent. Goldstone’s bio corroborates my father’s assessment, noting only that he joined the cause du jour in “the latter years of Apartheid in South Africa,” when,
Goldstone served as chairperson of the South African Standing Commission of Inquiry Regarding Public Violence and Intimidation, later known as the Goldstone Commission.[1] The Commission played a critical role in uncovering and publicizing allegations of grave wrongdoing by the Apartheid-era South African security forces and bringing home to “White” South Africans the extensive violence that was being done in their name. The Commission concluded that most of the violence of those years was being orchestrated by shadowy figures within the Apartheid regime, often through the use of a so-called “third force.” The Commission thus provided a first road map for the investigations into security force wrongdoing that, after democratization, were taken up by the country’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
A physics problem of sort – if side A attacks side B, B can use force F to defend itself. If F(B) F(A), then B prevails. However, F(B) – F(A) is declared to be “excessive” if the margin exceeds some “epsilon” – some Goldstone-allowable fine-tuned microscopic difference. Of course, if the Palestinians actually prevailed, the almost certain result is the annihilation of Israel based on the track record of Moslem militants – yet when Israel prevails, the Palestinian population quintuples in a 60 year span.
The side that started this by constantly shelling Israel bears no additional burden for starting the conflict! – rather this nonsense must be handled like some retarded boxing match??
Of course, the UN ITSELF was founded by nations that firebombed Dresden and Tokyo, raped half the women of Eastern Europe, enslaved most of Eastern Europe, and wiped out millions of German civilians in 1944-1946. I suppose, however, that that was NOT excessive force?? Perhaps in 1945, the Allies should have given Germany a “fighting chance”??
Bonus Questions: (1) What “Yugoslav genocide”? (2) Is anyone going to ask whether NATO used “excessive force” against Serbia in 1998?
Oops, the greater than (“exceeds”) sign did not copy and show up in the above post first line.
“The only flour factory was – was effectively destroyed. They destroyed most of the egg production. They – they killed tens of thousands of chickens”
So, would he have preferred Israel to launch rockets randomly into Gaza? You know, just to keep it proportional.
“In fact, if anything, it was my personal impression that it’s had the opposite effect”
So does this “failure” now make Israel’s actions a warcrime?
“…feel that because I’m Jewish I shouldn’t investigate Israel”
Exactly, being Jewish probably made him oversensitive to Israeli “atrocities”, for fear of being accused of bias towards Israel.
Lastly, one should be slow to find blame in the “relative calm” after a war, when the decision making had to take place “in the heat of the moment”
(Hope you understand what I’m trying to say, English not being my first language I sometimes struggle to express my thoughts properly)
[You’re doing fine.]
Goldstone is one of a breed of Jews that feels itself morally elevated when condemning their own. There are Israelis making speeches around the world accusing Israel of being racist and genocidal, and therefore encouraging economic divestment. The Israeli paper Haaretz is similarly culpable. A free society pays a heavy price for such outbursts. Israel pays an especially heavy price because it is not just another nation. It is THE nation that has been in a war of self-defense for its whole life of 61 years, THE nation Iran promises Armageddon, THE nation most condemned by the UN, etc. And so when Goldstone issues his decision that both sides have committed war crimes, then he shows biases. The problem is that few really care, and the enemies of Israel and of Jews are happy to make use of this libel in support of their political aim – the de-legitimization of Israel, with the hope of destroying it one day.
Has ANY OTHER COUNTRY ever been attacked and subsequently cited for the use of excessive force?
The issue, of course, is not whether the Israeli military made mistakes – in most wars, you hope you hit more of the enemy then your own men or civilians – but whether ANY OTHER NATION ever got cited for nonsense like this egg factory garbage…. – or are Jews considered so perfect that any mis-targeting is a deliberate war crime??
Who does the West want to deal with in terms of Palestine and the Holy Land? Go it alone or Israel? There is no third option. All this blubbering about peace is permitted only from this side of the equation… an ocean away. We should not expect unconditional surrender from Israel to our every wish concerning strategy and neither should Israel expect Americans to bow to their every demand. Sometimes friends disagree in matters of life and death, which is a simple fact that some American paleos and certain neo-cons and American Likudniks don’t seem to understand very well –to the detriment of all.
Israel has shown far too much restraint in dealing with Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and the PLO before these terrorist groups.
Israel has the right to defend itself and the idea they must tolerate random acts of human homicide bombers and rocket attacks against their people is not defensible.
Acts of violence against Israeli military targets are a declaration of war and must not be tolerated either.
These groups are known for their cowardice and are not able to take on the Israeli military, even with the backing of the surrounding Arab militaries.
The terrorists in the Gaza strip, West Bank and Lebanon have a history of killing civilians and using civilians as human shields. They manipulate a willing media to give them a moral equivalence with the Israeli military and this should not be accepted, but rejected.
The media aided Mugabe’s terrorists in Rhodesia, Nujoma’s SWAPO thugs in South West Africa and the ANC terrorists in South Africa. Now look what has happened to the majority of people in those countries.
Now this Goldstone runs a Kangaroo Court inquiry.
Israel does seem to be in tough position.
I recommend the US allow Israel to defend itself. After all, isn’t it a little shameful that Southern Baptists are called upon to defend a nation that has no time for the God they worship (well, at least traditionally; now it seems a lot of them worship Mars, the god of war)?
Really, I am serious. Let Israel realize its traditional dependence on the Lord. He put them in a perilous position for that reason, IMO.